Its amazing how we can see all these "obviosu contridictions" and "issues" and the people that actuall passed on these writings and have debated and created theological doctrines from them, were so oblivious to them ( even though these issues have been addressed over and over).
A Question for those who have trust in the Bible/Jesus..
by The Quiet One 94 Replies latest watchtower bible
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N.drew
That's odd. There is a post on the list, but not on the thread. I shall test for function.
Hi dear ShadesofGrey, your too cute! Here's another one for you!
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bohm
psac: "Its amazing how we can see all these "obviosu contridictions" and "issues" and the people that actuall passed on these writings and have debated and created theological doctrines from them, were so oblivious to them ( even though these issues have been addressed over and over)."
Will you accept this argument if it applied to eg. the book of mormon which has certainly also been debated, passed on and had doctrines build ontop of it?
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PSacramento
Will you accept this argument if it applied to eg. the book of mormon which has certainly also been debated, passed on and had doctrines build ontop of it?
I didn't realise that the Book of mormon has been debated and discussed for close to 2000 years, that doctines have been debated and discussed about it for centuries or that those discussion have been dealt with intenrally AND externally for centuries too.
The simple fact is that these "issues' with the NT and with Jesus of Nazareth are NOT new and have been answered over and over and that IF people really wanted to have a serious discussion about them, they would research them what as much "gusto" as they put into "finding" this "new issues".
I am sure that you ( like me) don't like it when someone comes up with:
Evolution is just a theory
If people evolved from monkeys why are there still monkeys?
Evolution means that man evolved from monkeys.
etc, etc
It is the same "narrow google search style" that brings up the same old issues over and over, not matter how m any times they are explained.
The truth is that IF people really wanted to LEARN about Christianity or Christian theology, they would learn that none of these "issues" are issues, just like none of those "issues" with evolution are issues and NO, I am not comparing the Theory of Evolution with Christian Theology but what I am doing is pointing out that just because people THINK there are issues, doesn't mean there are issues or that they haven't been answered over and over again.
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bohm
psac:
I didn't realise that the Book of mormon has been debated and discussed for close to 2000 years, that doctines have been debated and discussed about it for centuries or that those discussion have been dealt with intenrally AND externally for centuries too.
First off i think you are moving the goalpost slightly by inserting "debated for 2000 years" since it was not part of your original statement. The core of my objection is best made in response to this statement:
The simple fact is that these "issues' with the NT and with Jesus of Nazareth are NOT new and have been answered over and over and that IF people really wanted to have a serious discussion about them, they would research them what as much "gusto" as they put into "finding" this "new issues".
You are completely right all objections have been answered. But I cannot think of ANY religion where ALL "issues" have not been explained (if you think i am wrong try to come up with an example), and we must conclude the fact all issues has been explained in itself should not affect the truth-value we assign to the idea.
...they would learn that none of these "issues" are issues,
That is the hearth of it, in a trial the defence can allways explain away evidence: Eye witness? lying or remember incorrectly. DNA? Lab error or false positive. Fingerprints? planted. etc. etc. I have spend hours listening to WLC and reading his explanations for eg. jesus empty tomb, but i do not find the evidence sufficiently strong, or the explanations for eg. discrepancies convincing.
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Mad Sweeney
Point one: The Bible has a significant amount of false, incorrect, or non-factual information in it.
Point two: The Bible is credited as the primary (perhaps only) authoritative resource of information about Jesus Christ.
Stunning conclusion: at least a billion people believe what the Bible says about Jesus Christ, many of them taking it all as literally true.
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PSacramento
Point one: The Bible has a significant amount of false, incorrect, or non-factual information in it.
Point two: The Bible is credited as the primary (perhaps only) authoritative resource of information about Jesus Christ.
Stunning conclusion: at least a billion people believe what the Bible says about Jesus Christ, many of them taking it all as literally true.
You need to make your first point and show and prove the SIGNIFICANT amount of false, incorrect and non-factual information in the bible as it pertains to Christ.
Now, if you are saying that some people interpret the bible in a way that leads them to making some fasle, incorrect and non-factual claims, yes I agree with you there.
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N.drew
Shall we throw out Aesop's fables along with the bible? What if we throw out all fiction?
Jaheshua spoke in illustrations. The Bible imo communicates truth by illustrations. Some true, most probably not true, some kinda true. The point is the Bible accounts lead us to God. To know God better. To know mankind better. To realize hope even in a hopeless world. To find happiness despite despair all around. To have a friend always. To know God loves us. To know love is stronger than anything. To know love never dies.
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Inkie
Mad Sweeney: You wrote:
"If J.K. Rowling never wrote a book, there would be no Harry Potter."
There is no Harry Potter! J.K. Rowling's books are works of fiction. Do you not know that?
If nobody wrote a book about Marie Antoinette or Hannibal, etc., they wouldn't exist either? Is that what you're saying? People don't exist unless there's a book written about them?
--Inkie
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N.drew
Inkie!