Wasn't the Movie 'Snow White' based on Matthew 24.
In the LAST DAYS (mockers, scoffers) ridiculers will come saying:
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N.drew
I see the Bible might be an account of the end of mankind. Somebody (not me) thought it was a bad idea that the earth be left for the animals or whatever might survive man's (oh, and women's) hm....carelessness. So somehow someone communicated the end to the beginning and so the bible was born. It's about us. (Is that why it sounds so crazy? Yes, probably. )
So where is Jesus? He's here too. I think he thinks it's funny, so no, he's not perfect. Seems the warning only caused more trouble. But that's not his fault, I'm sure of it.
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Terry
Jesus, the God-Man, the second person of the Holy Trinity, never failed, not once.
What exactly did Jesus succeed at that he has to COME BACK in order to finish it?
Why do it like a movie in need of a sequel?
Is it even remotely possible that Jesus....ummm....died and that was about it?
The rest is the opinion of people who, like Elvis' fans, could not let go?
I'm just sayin'.............
And as far as being the 2nd person of a Trinity....
what exactly can that possibly mean since the very idea of a Trinity stems from pagan religions?
Is it a mere co-incidence that demon worshippers got it right? Just the wrong characters?
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jonathan dough
Would you agree that a natural reading of Matt 24/25 suggests that the parousia would follow on seamlessly from the destruction of Jerusalem - certanly within the same natural generation?
Not at all. The Son of Man returns after the Great Tribulation, but the Great Tribulation is a future event. Verses 29, 30 provide that "Immediately after the distress (Great Tribulation) of those days "'the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.' "At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory." "Those days" refer to the future. The Jews did not see the Son of Man coming in 70 A.D.
It's obviously a dual prophecy with partial application to a) the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A.D. and b) the Great Tribulation during the end times. We know that the second end-times aspect of the prophecy applies to the future because Christ doesn't return, nor his parousia manifest itself, until after the Great Tribulation. This is made clear by Matthew 24:21 which provides that "For then there will be great distress (Great Tribulation), unequaled from the beginning of the world until now--and never to be equaled again. It can't be limited to Jerusalem's destruction only because Word War II was much, much worse, so it lies in the future, and verses after 24:21 are clearly world-centric, not limited to Jerusalem alone.
In other words, first destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A.D, then the Great Tribulation in our near future, and then the Return of Christ - his parousia - and Armageddon, the latter part of the Great Tribulation. The prophecy is not limited to the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A.D., and Christ's return is pegged to that time after the Great Tribulation, a future event.
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thetrueone
The mental psychosis of fear goes along way in removing inquiry or examination of religious proclamations.
The WTS. has known this for a long time. In fact they purposely induced this to strengthen and support their organization.
In spite of the fact that the bible makes the distinction clear as how to identify these ones.
It is most likely for this reason that the WTS./JWS has only 7 million followers worldwide to date.
After a century of door to door preaching and hundreds of millions of pieces of literature proliferated.
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cofty
jonathan that is a very convoluted explanation isn't it?
Your use of words and phrases like "Its obviously a dual prophecy" and "We know that.." is very reminiscent of Watchtower language.
Please go and read the chapters again like you were reading them for the first time. Remember that to 1st century Jews Jerusalem was the centre of the world as far as god was concerned. Its destruction was the greatest and most significant event all of human history.
How can you possibly avoid the conclusion that Jesus dleiberately left his followers with the very clear impression that it would ALL happen in their own lifetime?
You are reading into the text things that cannot honestly be read out of it.
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jonathan dough
jonathan that is a very convoluted explanation isn't it?
Your use of words and phrases like "Its obviously a dual prophecy" and "We know that.." is very reminiscent of Watchtower language.
Please go and read the chapters again like you were reading them for the first time. Remember that to 1st century Jews Jerusalem was the centre of the world as far as god was concerned. Its destruction was the greatest and most significant event all of human history.
How can you possibly avoid the conclusion that Jesus dleiberately left his followers with the very clear impression that it would ALL happen in their own lifetime?
You are reading inot the text things that cannot honestly be read out of it.
I'm not reading into anything; I'm applying cold logic. You're the one with blinders on, not wanting to concede the obvious. It might be difficult for you to understand, perhaps it is over your head, but it is far from convoluted. It's a very clear, concise and logical conclusion in light of what was written. And it's very simple. Christ wasn't writing only for his immediate followers. I've studied this more than you, trust me. I think you are the one who should go back and study it objectively, with an open heart and a touch of common sense.
It's the only explanation that fits all the pieces together. And I'm not out on a limb here, you are. I have 2 billion Christians and a small army of theologians agreeing with this end times scenario. Mainstream Catholics and Protestants agree that Matthew chapters 24 and 25 refer to the coming of the son of man, the end times, and judgment day. It also refers to Jerusalem's destruction in 70 A.D. Re-read what I wrote and think about it. You can't possibly believe that chapters 24 and 25 only apply to first-century Jerusalem. It's impossible.
Its destruction was the greatest and most significant event all of human history.
That is simply not true, not by a mile. You also need a history lesson because even though the Jews might have believed Jerusalem's destruction was significant in their time, the prophecy contemplated much, much worse. It takes a world-centric view. Besides, Jerusalem's destruction in 587 B.C. was far worse than its destruction in 70 A.D., so the prophecy couldn't have applied only to the latter devastation by Rome in 70 a.D. You are the one who should go back and read those verses, and set the God-hate aside for a while. It's clouding your objectivity. This isn't rocket science, and your argument isn't advanced by insulting me by comparing me to a JW; that's hitting below the belt.
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cofty
Jonathan I did not mean to offend you and I apologise if I did so.
It is obvious I will never convince you that the bible contains flawed human predictions and that if Jesus actually said those words recorded in Matt 24/25 then he got it wrong so I will leave you to it.
I once was where you are now - He isn't coming back so I hope you don't plan your life around it.
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designs
Oh good god's pissed, watch out
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jonathan dough
He isn't coming back so I hope you don't plan your life around it.
I'm sorry you believe that. But you're wrong.
The earth is destined for fire and complete destruction which is made clear by 2 Peter 3:10,11: "But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will pass away with a mighty roar and the elements will be dissolved by fire and the earth and everything in it will be found out. ... everything is to be dissolved this way," (NAB; "Total destruction is assumed (11)," notes 3,10). "...the heavens will be destroyed by burning, and the elements will melt with intense heat" (2 Peter 3:12). "But by His word the present heavens and earth are being reserved for fire, kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men" (2 Peter 3:7).
Peter's warning reemphasized Zephaniah's warning, where the ancient prophet transmitted the Almighty's words, "I will utterly consume all things from off the face of the ground, saith Jehovah. I will consume man and beast; I will consume the birds of the heavens, and the fishes of the sea, and the stumbling blocks with the wicked; and I will cut off man from off the face of the ground, saith Jehovah" (Zephaniah 1:2,3)
Complete destruction of man on earth is intended. " Their blood will be poured out like dust and their entrails like dung. 18 Neither their silver nor their gold will be able to save them on the day of the LORD’s wrath.” In the fire of his jealousy the whole earth will be consumed, for he will make a sudden end of all who live on the earth (Zephaniah 1:17, 18). The Jehovah's Witnesses theory that they alone, their great crowd, will survive Armageddon and be ruled from heaven by the 144,000 is simply not in accord with Scripture.http://www.144000.110mb.com/directory/jehovahs_witnesses_directory_beliefs.html
Oh good god's pissed, watch out
It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. Hebrews 10:31