What would you do if your JW spouse did...?

by garyneal 37 Replies latest jw friends

  • garyneal
    garyneal
    I made an excel with graphics to show our financial history to my wife, and where we would be if the situation (spending behaviour) would not change. I explained her I could not afford to support the continuous expenses, and I felt bad and failing as a husband and that even doing a lot of overtime hours could not close the gap. I requested her reduce the expectations on life, and if she wanted something extra, to put money aside herself on beforehand.

    Did this help?

    You know, I sometimes think their whole idea of 'live the simple life' and 'keep the eye simple' is something that is totally lost on them or at least on my wife. She actually carries on like she is wholly entitled to all of these things.

  • Nice_Dream
    Nice_Dream

    Have you ever read any Dave Ramsey books? They have some Christian things in them. There is one that talks about finances and romance to help marriage partners be on the same page. http://www.amazon.com/More-than-Enough-Changing-Financial/dp/0142000477/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1322713322&sr=8-8

    Hopefully that helps! I'm the saver, and my husband is a spender. But we both value being debt free and make financial goals together.

  • Hoffnung
    Hoffnung

    It took some time and effort to get the message through (it took more than one discussion, some heated arguments were involved, but any way, I guess they are already there in your house). But yes, it did help. The illustration of Jesus about calculating the cost before building the tower might help (I kid you not).

    Hoffnung

  • jamiebowers
    jamiebowers

    If you're just a authorized user on the credit card, you have no power to change the spending limit or cancel the card. However, I'm not certain if it's on your credit report. If it is, have yourself removed as an authorized user, so you can't be held liable for it.

    Next, Google your city's court records and look up her name. Then show her that her bad record is public knowledge. Ask her if she really wants that out there for the elders or possible converts to see. Don't worry about her not graduating on time, because she can get driving privileges for necessary business like work and school. But ask her if she really wants to have to put the Kingdom Hall's address on the form and provide such a bad witness. Also ask her how it will look if she can't drive in field service.

    If you're a registered owner of the car she drives, take your name off asap, and do not allow her to drive your car that is in your name under any circumstances. If you have car insurance for both of you, cancel it and carry your own policy. Otherwise her carelessness is going to cost you money in higher premiums. If you ever buy a house together, (which is doubtful since she likes to run up credit card bills), insist that she carry higher amounts of insurance to protect your home from law suits caused by her poor driving.

    Insist on her paying her fines and for her own car insurance plus whatever she contributes to bills and expenses. I would also close out any joint bank or credit accounts you have. That way you can protect yourself now and in the case of divorce. Then simply refuse to take the Disney vacation. If she wants to go on her own dime, (or more than likely credit), let her. Just don't be the sucker who pays for her carelessness and thoughtlessness.

    I know all of this sounds tough, but if you separate your finances and insurance protection, maybe she'll change her ways. If not, at least you won't be responsible for her poor decisions.

  • AGuest
    AGuest

    Greetings, dear GN... and the greatest of love and peace to you! I had to think long and hard before responding... because I "see" something a bit different than perhaps some others here... and that is that, before you're a UBM and JW, you are a husband and wife.

    First, I have to agree with dear tec (the greatest of love and peace to you, luv!)... that she is responsible for her actions... and you might have to let her be so... perhaps even not bailing her out. That depends. Second, I have to disagree with dear Carla (peace to you, dear one!) that you would blanketly be responsible for her credit card debt. My understanding (from personal experience, dear BOTR - peace to you!), is that if it is HER card (i.e., taken out in her name, alone, without you having signed on it), you can't be held responsible for it. That came about when men used to have credit/accounts unknown to their wives, divorce them, leaving wives with no credit of their own. This prompted legislation allowing wives to appy for and receive their own separate credit. It works as to husbands, too. Since credit cards are "unsecured" debt, the company might not be able to hold you responsible. Depends on the agreement... and perhaps your state. An attorney... or consumer credit counseling agency... can help you find out.

    With all of that said, my question is "what" is "missing" from your wife's "life"... such that this is SO important to her that she's even willing to put a strain on her relationship with you? My guess... is the [very] UNfulfilling part of her life that is "JW." I have known a LOT of JW women who make up for... well, sheer BOREDOM... in this way: shopping, vacations, "re-doing" the house. I mean, c'mon... just how "exciting" is the JW life, really? Every one of those poor folks need a break every now and then... some more than others. Don't get me wrong: worldly people go through it, too...

    May I ask: have you asked her why this is SO important that she is willing to jeopardize her relationship with you... your familial financial situation... her schooling... and even her "standing with Jehovah"? What I mean is perhaps you can find out what's "missing"... that she is apparently trying to "fill."

    I sense, from your words, that you are "nervous" about debt (and that's understandable, in light of your previous payoff). Could it be that you're a little TOO "nervous," so much so that your current handling of the "purse-strings" is causing her to push back? I get the impression that you dear folks have recently had to change your lifestyle; surely, she knew that when you two embarked on your current path (her not working, going back to school, etc.). Was the "change" gradual? Planned for? Did you guys kind of ease into it? Or did she have to jump in "cold turkey"?

    If the latter, you might be witnessing her "withdrawal" (i.e., missing some of what you all used to be able to do and unable to control the impulses, etc.).

    Unless you're planning on walking (and I don't get that, at least not from this thread)... I think you should at least try getting to the bottom of this, her "need/desire" as to this trip. It might be a "Well, it's what we've always done"... to which you can help her see that, because of your current situation... you guys can't do what you've always done, right now. Maybe she's feeling like she needs to "get away." I don't know about the other ladies on the board but I, for one, can certainly identify with that. And when I need to get away... there's not much that can stop me. Yes, it might cost some money... even be a little expensive... but whatever it costs is, in MY mind, worth it... and lot less than the hospital/therapy bills we might have to pay if I don't get away and "lose my mind" as a result - LOLOL!

    What about a compromise? I mean, if she just needs to get away does it HAVE to be Disneyworld? Does it HAVE to be, say, 10 days, versus, say 5? Can the accommodations be downgraded (I mean, maybe you just can't do it the WAY you folks have "always" done it... know what I'm sayin'?)?

    What I'm saying is... you every right to vent... but you really have an obligation to try and resolve this... WITH your wife. Maybe you can't, I dunno. But if you haven't tried [everything] maybe you should.

    Bottom line? As some say, "If Mama ain't happy... ain't nobody happy." That really is what you're experiencing, right now - "Mama" ain't happy... about something... and so is insisting on "her" way... even if that way is potentially damaging to your relationship/finances.

    Find out what's REALLY going on with her. Don't talk about it at home. Take her out for a bit (not Spago's, but certainly not Dairy Queen)... and talk it out. Let her know you WANT her to be happy... but can't see how this trip will work, just now. Tell her to CONVINCE you and that if she does, you're game. And BE game, if her plan is a good one. But tell her that you need HER agreement to postpone... if you can show HER... how it just doesn't make sense... right NOW.

    Just my $0.02... and I hope it's worth it... 'cause it just saddens my heart how many here are "going through it" marriage-wise, right now.

    Peace... and strength... dear one!

    SA, on her own...

  • OnTheWayOut
    OnTheWayOut

    What's up with DisneyWorld anyway? Why is this so important to her? Is it totally non-JW-related?

    I mean, if it's something to do with going with other JW's, my thoughts might be different. But if it is not JW-related at all, I might help my JW wife to go places rather than worry about debt.

    I know I am oversimplifying that because you have such a tight handle on your credit and debt. But if it's that important to the wife, what's the problem with working with her to handle the debt? You can definitely agree with terms right now that there will be no more of these excursions until that credit is back to zero.

  • AGuest
    AGuest

    Or... what Jer said...

    SA, ducking as a shadow passes over head (was that a pig???)... on her own...

  • diamondiiz
    diamondiiz

    :) Would never happen in my house. But, what you should do is control the credit card, unless you have low interest card it may not be that bad, but most credit cards charge you 18-20% which is outrages. Not only that, you pay interest on new purchases as well, which is insane. If you have a high interest card, get a line of credit or a loan and pay off the card and cancel it until both of you can get a handle on your spending habits.

    As for a holidays, you can play the head of the house card with her and tell her how it is. You can always open the bible and show her ;). Bad spending habits start small and grow and this will also bring future problems IMO. My view with 99% of things is, if you can't afford to pay for it now, don't buy it until you have the money (I've used credit cards for almost 20 years and paid interest once due to misunderstand), if you can't afford a holiday now what makes you think that you will be able to pay the bill next month or two. Paying for a holiday with future tax return is not a good idea if you know you'll need money when she's off work.

  • garyneal
    garyneal

    Okay, it is getting late so this will be my last post on this topic for the night.

    First, let me clarify some things:

    She wants the Disney trip as a reward for graduating college. Truth is, I agreed to this trip because I feel that she does deserve it. However, I was under the assumption that this trip will be 100% paid for with cash (no credit). Evidently, she's changed the rules since it has become painfully obvious that she will never be able to save up the cash in time for this trip. She claimed that the card is currently offering a zero percent interest rate on new charges so this justiifies her using it to pay for the trip while stating that she is sticking with her original plan.

    She and I both work full time and daycare is costing us $10K a year, therefore our finances are wicked tight. We just simply don't have the extra money to do a lot of extra curricular things. I know this must bore her and as much as I would love to take her out to places and show her a good time, it is hard to find the means to do so. If it were possible to do more for her, I am sure she would soften up a bit on her "I must go to Disney after I graduate" stance.

  • OnTheWayOut
    OnTheWayOut

    Graduating from college is very big and very anti-JW. It ain't like she's going to want to go on some trip every year that she can't afford. You already agreed to it and expenses didn't work out as planned. She's holding you to your end even though she hasn't been holding up to hers.

    I would give in but point all that out.

    But don't get the idea that zero interest is what she thinks it is. If there's already more debt on that same card (and you say there is), then any payments will go toward the zero interest stuff first and there will be a monthly interest and fee carried on the existing debt. That's substantial monthly costs to ride on more debt.

    I would give in but point all that out.

    Maybe you can reduce expenses and get that current debt down.

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