Atheists are as trustworthy as rapists

by rebel8 38 Replies latest jw friends

  • tec
    tec

    I hear what you're saying. And I believe the study results are saying what you're saying too. I just don't know if the results of the questions (though we don't know what those all are) point to that definitive conclusion.

    Like this one:

    The thought that a religious person will be honest, but an atheist will not

    It isn't the thought that a religious person will be honest, and an atheist will not. It is the thought that a religious person is SUPPOSED to be honest, according to the faith they are supposedly living by. Which as we know, doesn't necessarily mean anything, and too often doesn't mean anything. But it is supposed to mean something.

    It doesn't have to be making a statement about atheists at all.

    Last year I was choosing a mortgage lawyer... from the yellow pages. Knew nothing about them. Had no idea who to choose. Totally blind pick, knowing nothing about any of them. But one of the ads had a lawyer professing christian values. I hesitated, because that doesn't have to mean anything (and might even be a smart marketing tool), but I chose him. He ended up being very honest, and even gave us money back because it cost him less to do things than he had estimated.

    I was still shooting blind choosing him, because I knew nothing about him personally. I only knew what he was supposed to be, according to his profession.

    Before anyone jumps on that as prejudice... lets say I was faced with another blind pick. One of the advertisments says, atheist with strong humanistic values, or something of the like. He would have been the one who stood out, and I probably would have given him the chance.

    Peace,

    Tammy

  • NewChapter
    NewChapter

    LOL--my brother is not so generous. We saw a sign where a handyman type was advertising that he was also a Christian. My brother immediately said he didn't trust him and wouldn't call him. But we both know A LOT of hypocritical Christians.

    Like his ex's girfriend's friend who used to try and say nasty things about me when I was JW and my brother would ask her how the adultery was going. LOL Yeah, my atheist brother defended me as a JW because I was a true believer and that meant a great deal more to him than what I believed. I lived my life accordingly--and still do in matters of honesty---just not so hot on the other stuff. LOL

    NC

  • tec
    tec

    But we both know A LOT of hypocritical Christians.
    Yeah I do too. I also know super honest and loyal atheists. My brother for one. My dad is a deist, and you will not meet a more honest man than him - faith or no faith. I also know dishonest atheists and honest believers. Honesty/dishonesty comes in all walks and faiths. But when the slate is blank and you're choosing blind (unless the questions allowed for a 'how would I know' answer), then people tend to go with what is supposed to be, or (as in the case with your brother) their e x perience of whatever label is being placed on people. (Christian, Muslim, atheist)

    Peace :)

    Tammy

  • NewChapter
    NewChapter

    My brother worked with one Christian guy who just sputtered when he found out my brother was an atheist. He said, "Well then what keeps you from just eating your children???" My brother was absolutely floored, but a coworker came to his defense and told the guy "Look, if going to church is the only thing that keeps you from eating your own children, then you have much bigger problems than an atheist". It was HYSTERICAL.

  • tec
    tec

    Yeah, that was a good comeback ;)

  • ziddina
    ziddina
    "An interesting side-by-side study would have been to ask atheists what they think, given the same questions...." tec - I think...

    I've mentioned this item before, though it was many years ago when I read the book and I can't remember the source exactly, but...

    Studies done on child molesters have found that over 50% of offenders are DEEPLY RELIGIOUS MEN - not 'nominally' Catholic, Baptist, Episcopal, and so on...

    No, they're talking about men who are ACTIVE and QUITE INVOLVED with their particular churches...

    Which actually makes sense, when one thinks about it - and when one looks at the general behavior of Middle-Eastern men towards women - and girls...

    I've said it before; I'll say it again - men who worship a Middle-Eastern god created by misogynistic Middle-Eastern men, will tend to pick up some of the same mental "rot" as existed - and, preserved in a sort of "time-warp", still exists - in Bronze-Age Middle-Eastern male "MEN"tality...

    Personally, given a choice between a Christian, Muslim, Hebrew or Buddhist, or an atheist, I'll trust an atheist first - they're far less likely to be HYPOCRITES....

    Though I will say, I tremendously admire people who CAN successfully chart a truly "moral" route amidst the conflicting messages found in the Middle-Eastern "holy" books - the Torah, Pentatuch, Bible and Koran...

    They're rare as hens' teeth, though...

    Zid

  • ziddina
    ziddina
    "My brother worked with one Christian guy who just sputtered when he found out my brother was an atheist.
    He said, "Well then what keeps you from just eating your children???"
    My brother was absolutely floored, but a coworker came to his defense and told the guy,
    "Look, if going to church is the only thing that keeps you from eating your own children, then you have much bigger problems than an atheist".
    It was HYSTERICAL. ..."

    By the GODDESS, New Chapter!!!

    That was GRRRRRRRREAT!!!

    I'll have to remember that one...

  • rebel8
    rebel8

    People keep referring to it as "a study" which it is not. It is an article written about several studies.

    I linked to the abstract but I do not have access to the full article (nor do most of you I'm assuming), so I linked to the news article (which always regurgitate professional journal articles in a dumbed down manner with their own juicy slant on it to sell it to readers).

    From what I read I do not think it is making inaccurate conclusions. It says participants in the study felt such and such.

    The article points out limitations of the studies and what participants actually said, which is noteworthy and very consistent with my anecdotal experience (and many of yours too, according to your former friends you are untrustworthy, mentally diseased liars).

    In any case I think the subject matter is worthy of critique and continued discussion.

  • xchange
    xchange

    rebel8 : Exactly what my sentiments were when reading the article. It's easy to say a study is flawed when you don't have the actual studies/data set in front of you. That's why I asked why those who were saying it was flawed to provide some arguments for it.


    That link to that other website was...well...far from an academic parsing of the article/study and just a bunch of random noise. The author of that blog also said in an apparent attempt to make a rebuttal - “ That doesn't sound like science. That sounds like a personal anecdote ”. Obviously this author doesn’t know the difference between qualitative and quantitative research methods.

  • rebel8
    rebel8

    On a side note I am confused at the claim it's hypocritical for Christians to kill Bin Laden.

    Joshua 10:19 and others sanction it--I linked to a partial list of more scriptures in my 2nd post in this thread.

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