Who designed cancer?

by snare&racket 148 Replies latest jw friends

  • Vidqun
    Vidqun

    AK - Jeff, I was very surprised when I found out that animals have thirteen pairs of ribs, and humans only twelve pairs. Doesn't say much, but it makes you think, doesn't it?

    When the human pair went rogue, big problems set in. They wanted to be independent, so God had to step aside. He knew of the coming complications, therefore made arrangements for it to be fixed. Hopefully we can put this one to bed now.

    A few years there was an article on mitochondrial RNA in Time Magazine. The heading went something like this: "In search of Eve." Mitochondrial RNA can only be passed on to her offspring by the woman. After studying mitochondrial RNA deviation in humans, the scientists concluded "we are not as old as we thought," because they found much less deviation than expected. So, perhaps, with your question, you are putting God on the stand. You never know, you might just get an answer.

    Knowsnothing, agreed. Definitely room there for exploration.

    Twitch, the question is: Evolution or adaption? The animal might have grown a new coat (adaption) but he did not change his genus (evolution). Perhaps you are referring to an interesting concept called Occam's razor. According to Webster:

    a scientific and philosophic rule that entities should not be multiplied unnecessarily which is interpreted as requiring that the simplest of competing theories be preferred to the more complex or that explanations of unknown phenomena be sought first in terms of known quantities

    I go for the simple explanation until disproved. By the way, banana's are very healthy, that is if you eat them.

  • Vidqun
    Vidqun

    Sorry, mitochondrial DNA, not RNA. And yes S&R, it's the Natural History Museum, and not Science Museum. My mistake, I forgot to acknowledge.

  • cofty
    cofty

    I would suggest that if you want to get to the truth of a matter, .. that you look toward the truth (who is Christ) for answers and help in understanding

    Well its less effort than studying those difficult science books.

    Vidqun you haven't learned a single thing from this discussion because you just duck every inconvenient question and come back repeating the same old hackneyed nonsnense. A whole world of fascinating knowledge is availale to you, man up and stop being so afraid of it.

    Thanks Tammy I'm doing ok so far.

  • Band on the Run
    Band on the Run

    I spent time on a hospice unit. My facial pain was beyond agonizing. Many patients committed suicide. The bulk of pain medicine's practice was with oncology. Stray beds were allowed to serious chronic pain patient. The terminal receivced some respect. This question stopped me dead in my tracks. If the Trinitiy exists and it is my belief, Christ, the love God, created cancer. Where is the love for small children?

    Words cannot do justice to the experience. They cannot explain how your body and my soul are assaulted. Words are insufficient. So It was sobered my faith. Jesus the Christ or God the Father have war crimes to face. Today, we isolate people who are terminal in hospices. Most of us never see the pain and terror of the suffering God caused. Groovy Jesus, Holy Spirit nifty does not exist. There is perhaps reason to still believe but it is very attentuated.

    Seriously, If I were Shakepeare, Dickens, the truly great, words are completely inaccurate to describe the experience. Groovy Jesus does not exist.

  • Knowsnothing
    Knowsnothing

    BOTR, that is truly sad. When one sees these things happening and God is nowhere to be found, we can at least console ourselves in that we as humans try to give those children a second chance. And, even though many times they die, at least some children can be cured and live a happy, satisfying life.

  • snare&racket
    snare&racket

    I walk the wards every day watching gods insolent anger at work.....

    What was worse? A man and woman thinking for themselves HAVING BEEN DECEIVED, or gods response... you can flower your mind with unscriptual 70's and 80's paintings of a shitty looking paradise, but funny how you dont focus on the mound of bodies in gods corner. The disease and pain he has designed due to the fruit incident. Utter childish, early mans thinking, bollocks.

    Dont give me the biblical nonsense, i know it well. It is ridiculous and does not add up.

    Dont try to use science to back up your embarassing myths. You are once more looking silly. Mitochondrial DNA is from the mother, this does not mean it originated with EVE, scientists using the biblical story refer to it with the name EVE for obvious reasons. The 'God' particle (the higgs boson) is likewise NOT science accepting the biblical tripe. If anything it proves there was no original male, whos mitichondria did Adam have... dont answer this, i know full well its going to be a poor guess from your uneducated thoughts. I just hope to make you think

    Thanks for the support Cofty. However, i feel we are flogging a well flogged pile of horse bones.

  • Vidqun
    Vidqun

    So who's the idiot now? If God doesn't exist, don't blame him for all the wrongs in the world. He either exists (and you blame him) or he doesn't exist (and you find somebody else to blame). Look closer to home then. Oh, yes, and Medical Science, the saviour of the world, I don't think so. Why does your wonderful Medical Science not come to the rescue and alleviate all this suffering? Think, it might be a new experience for you.

  • Qcmbr
    Qcmbr

    I don't think Vid that it's possible for a non believer to blame the object of their disbelief. Atheists blame people 100% for faith based myth belief. Natural disasters are recognised as caused by purely physical forces.

    Can we agree that no atheist blames Thor or Yahweh or Krishna for any evil.

  • EntirelyPossible
    EntirelyPossible

    So who's the idiot now?

    It's still you. Congratulations, I suppose.

    Why does your wonderful Medical Science not come to the rescue and alleviate all this suffering?

    Medical science cured chickenpox, diphtheria, H. flu, Malaria, whooping cough, pneumococcal disease, polio, tetanus, typhoid, yellow fever & smallpox, to name a few. God cured ... well, nothing. He just really liked asking grown men to cut off their foreskins in a disease rich environment with no anti-bacterials because he liked collecting them.

    Think, it might be a new experience for you.

    Awww, it's just so adorable when you get your ignorant ass beat like a red headed step child and then handed to you every time you open your mouth and you have to resort to insults.

  • cofty
    cofty

    vid - I am in the middle of treatment for cancer right now. i assure you I don't blame god. In fact I am coping mentally far better than I would have previously as a believer. Idon't wonder "why?" or waste time and energy hoping god wants to help me survive. I got cancer because shit happens - end of story. Now I can focus on beating it.

    If I get cured it will be down to the knowldge, experience and skill of doctors and nurses. people like snare and racket who have done the hard work to learn facts about how our bodies work. It won't be down to prayer of faith or herbs or healing energies or the dictates of your capricious god.

    If you can't get your head round the conditional nature of our coversation and understand we are discussing the implications of your position then I am sorry for you.

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