Who designed cancer? (page 8)

tec

Once again - what is this "spirit" stuff you speak of?

Cofty, I can't add anything more to what we've previously discussed on that topic. You don't accept it, and that's fine. But I do, and that is where I am coming from.

Peace,

Tammy

cofty

I don't think so, because I don't believe He meant for us to have to have all this suffering

But evolution took millions of years during which time violent and painful death was the experience of everything that ever lived. Suffering, waste and extiction is how evolution does its work. How exactly is this compatible with a loving god and what does it have to do with stories of a "fall"?

Oh yes and what is this "spirit" stuff you keep referring to?

I can't add anything more to what we've previously discussed on that topic

Yes you have mentioned it often but have never defined what you mean other than to tell us what it is not.

PSacramento

One can argue that a loving God would equip Life to survive.

Loving God being a God that loves His Creation in whole and not love in the emotional sense that we tend to put to it.

One can argue that a loving creator endows His creation with the two things that show love:

Ability to survive and frww will ( will to survive).

Certainly ORGANIC life as we know it has gone through some serious rough patches ( understatment) BUT IF there is more to life than the organic aspect of it ( energy for example, a consious energy), then the organic aspect is simply ONE aspect of its evolutionary "life cycle".

tec

Yes you have mentioned it often but have never defined what you mean other than to tell us what it is not.

I don't understand you Cofty. I have never defined spirit as what it is not, but rather as what it is. That you don't accept this coming from me - just another person - I completely understand. But that you keep saying that I have defined it as what it is not, when I have not, I don't understand.

Peace,

Tammy

Vidqun

S&R, it's called a B. (Baccalaureus), Med. (Medicinae), Sc. (Scientiae) = B. Med. Sc. Like I said, that was a while ago. How is it that I suddenly have all this medical knowledge? Now that we are discussing the different topics, things are coming back to me. The brain is a wonderful thing. Yes, in Anatomy III we did a lot of skull and brain cavity measuring, but that doesn't tell you much, I'm afraid. It doesn't prove a thing.

Cofty, you will not be able to understand the "spirit" part. You are either a "fleshly man" or "a spiritual man." Paul, in 2 Cor. 3:1-3, explained it this way:

And so, brothers, I was not able to speak to YOU as to spiritual men, but as to fleshly men, as to babes in Christ.

2 I fed YOU milk, not something to eat, for YOU were not yet strong enough. In fact, neither are YOU strong enough now,

3 for YOU are yet fleshly. For whereas there are jealousy and strife among YOU, are YOU not fleshly and are YOU not walking as men do?

botchtowersociety

Cancer is not caused by viruses it is an error in the reading of dna (a genetic mutation).

Snare&racket, viruses can and do cause cancer. The human papillomavirus' link to cervical cancer is a good example. These viruses rewrite DNA sequences.

snare&racket

Please dont misunderstand me guys,

I respect you all and your opinions, I hope my passion does not get confused for distain or lack of respect. If I have been off-hand I apologise. We have all suffered enough under authoritive bullies, I would hate to be considered another.

Vidqum - please stop posting wikipedia articles that are nothing to do with our conversation. It just speaks volumes of your own inability to voice your conclusions. (no disrespect and I'd still buy you a pint.)

All apes have one extra set of chromosomes than humans. If we share a common ancestor this is an issue! Did we lose a set or did they gain a set? When we checked, ALL the great apes had the extra pair, so likelyhood was, somwhere we lost a set. But how? Well chromosomes can fuse together. We looked and we found the missing pair fused in our second chromosome. All of this came about based on the pre-requisite that we developed from the same ancestor. So did god fuse those chromosomes to make us think we evolved from a shared ape ancestor in order to test our faith...... or did we evolve alongside apes?

cofty

Cofty, you will not be able to understand the "spirit" part. You are either a "fleshly man" or "a spiritual man.

I understand it, it just has no substance. I am am definitely not a "spiritual" man that's for sure. 35 years believing watchtower woo and 9 years of christianity cured me of that.

Tammy - you defined spirit as something like the sum total of what we are if I remember rightly? That still doesn't beging to tell us what it actually is but this is off topic so I apologise.

snare&racket

botchtower.....

yes indeed you are right, but the context was Vidqun stating that cancer could be fixed by a perfect immune system as cancer comes from viruses.

You have correctly mentioned a virus that can initiate a specific type of cancer. Smoking causes cancer but it not the mechanism for cancers. You cant say, if we get rid of cigarettes we stop cancer. On top of all that, cancers are nothing more than a cell cycle that is malfunctioning as i explained. Many things including UV light, viruses, irritants etc can initiate that malfunction. Vidqun's claim that a perfect immunity, to stop viruses, would stop cancer was the point i was refuting.

botchtowersociety

yes indeed you are right, but the context was Vidqun stating that cancer could be fixed by a perfect immune system as cancer comes from viruses.

I understand how his point is wrong, but a strong immune system prevents cancer as well. The immune system itself detects cells that have become cancerous and it destroys them. A weak immune or compromised immune system is less able to do so. In fact, many of the more recent cancer therapeutics are immunotherapies. At least one of your billions of cells becomes cancerous every day, it is just that your body is very good at policing this.

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