Who designed cancer?
by snare&racket 148 Replies latest jw friends
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cofty
Why are you recommending books you have never read?
Any chance of a straight answer to a very simple question?
"did your god create black headed, herring, lesser black backed, greater black backed and common gulls individually as special acts of creation?"
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Vidqun
Don't know what he did? I wasn't there.
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cofty
Its like trying to teach a 2 year old to do differential calculus. I give up.
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ballistic
If it wasn't for bacteria and fungus, the world around us would slowly fill up with dead bodies and detritus. Many other forms of friendly bacteria are found in our own gut and are essential for life. One brother once said to me, why isn't the human body 100% efficient with no need to poo?, well if you absorbed 100% of what you ate, 100% of the flora and forna around us would need to be edible and pure, as the nth part per million of some poison (e.g. like apple pips) would kill you whereas in our bodies, it passes straight through.
The truth is we live in a very complex inter-connected eco system in which most plant and animal life are all interconnected and that includes bacteria and I expect in some very complex and obscure ways, viruses too. Even mass extinctions and plagues have been crucial in the survival of life on the planet.
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TD
Speciation is intuitively apparent through interspecies fertility. The camel and llama for example, can be crossed via artificial insemination to produce the 'Cama' --an animal with the coarse fur of the camel, no hump and the llama's cloven feet:
The camel and llama are not only two entirely different species; they are two different genera as well.
An even more bizarre cross is between sheep and goats. (Sheep have 54 chromosomes and Goats have 60) Fertility between the two animals is very low and even when conception occurs, the offspring are usually stillborn. But there are documented cases of live birth. The animal is called a 'Geep' and has the heavy body of a sheep, but the long legs of a goat:
Fertility is a very strong piece of evidence for common ancestry. So I think anyone who advocates creation should think about their own definition of a Genesis 'Kind' before they dismiss speciation out of hand.
Are sheep and goats one 'kind' or two? Are camels and llamas one kind or two? If the answer is 'one', then it becomes very hard to deny that animals within a 'kind' can diverge to the point where they are legitimately classified as two different species today.
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Vidqun
Agreed. You're right TD, now that you mention it, one also finds a cross between a lion (Panthera leo) and a tiger (Panthera tigris) = liger. Parents of the same genus, but different species. That's the proof I need. Back to the drawing board.
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EntirelyPossible
AM, that's the problem with your argument, the "millions of years" part. That is why you can't prove your theory. For that you need "millions of years." So scientific method won't help you there .
You are 100% incorrect. Evolution has been produced in experimentation in lab, observed in the wild and has been shown to have predicitve powers. You clearly are uneducated about the scientific method.
EP, have you ever watched the cartoon of "Courage" the dog. You remind me of the old man. All he could say was "you stupid dog".
No. I haven't. It's called Courage the Cowardly Dog, if I'm not mistaken. Since I haven't seen the show I really can't say if the old man was correct or not. Are you suggesting you would prefer to be called a stupid dog? As far as I know you aren't a dog, you are just stupid for remaining willfully ignorant and for spreading dangerous misinformation.
But hey, if it floats your boat I can add "dog" at the end of that for you. Let me know.
As far as I know the Neanderthals died off, so no, they did not overcome serious adversity.
Neanderthals interbred with modern humans. You have some Neanderthal DNA in you.
An embittered Jew with an attitude, now that's a turnup for the books.
It's always humorous when people like you start to think they know something about me, like that I am "embittered". I am not embittered at all. I am actually quite happy in my life and pretty positive overall. I just don't tolerate willful ignorance and the spreading of dangerous misinformation after you've had and rejected multiple opportunities to educate yourself.
So, as a willfully ignorant lying stupid pedo worshipper, I can see where you might easily mistake the derisive mocking of your willfull ignorance, spreading of dangerous lies and intentional stupidity as being embittered. It's really just the safest course with people like you since you clearly don't want or value education, facts, knowledge or reality.
But don't take it all out on me, I'm just an ignorant gentile.
Take it out on you? Oh gosh no, I am not TAKING anything out on you. You are asking for and earning every thing you get.
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EntirelyPossible
Yes, I deny speciation. It cannot be proved. It's a theory, and will remain a theory until proven.
You don't know what a theory it. And it has been proven.
That's the proof I need. Back to the drawing board.
You also don't know what proof is.
So, if you weren't there when your pedo-god created everything and neither was anyone who wrote the slavery, murder, misogyny and pedophile promoting books you love so much, why do you trust them? I mean, don't you need PROOF that they are true?
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Vidqun
You know EP, I missed you. Where were you? Let me help you out here. See, I can also do the marker thing now. Do you know what "extinct" means? Let's go to Wiki:
The Neanderthal, sometimes spelled Neandertal, is an extinct member of the Homogenus known from Pleistocenespecimens found in Europe and parts of western and central Asia . Neanderthals are classified either as a subspecies of Homo sapiens (Homo sapiens neanderthalensis) or as a separate human species (Homo neanderthalensis). [1]
However, an analysis of a first draft of the Neanderthal genome by the same team released in May 2010 indicates interbreeding may have occurred. [3][4] "Those of us who live outside Africa carry a little Neanderthal DNA in us," said Pääbo, who led the study. "The proportion of Neanderthal-inherited genetic material is about 1 to 4 percent. It is a small but very real proportion of ancestry in non-Africans today," says Dr. David Reich of Harvard Medical School in Boston, who worked on the study. This research compared the genome of the Neanderthals to five modern humans from China, France, sub-Saharan Africa, and Papua New Guinea. The finding is that about 1 to 4 percent of the genes of the non-Africans came from Neanderthals, compared to the baseline defined by the two Africans. This indicates a gene flow from Neanderthals to modern humans, i.e., interbreeding between the two populations. Since the three non-African genomes show a similar proportion of Neanderthal sequences, the interbreeding must have occurred early in the migration of modern humans out of Africa, perhaps in the Middle East . No evidence for gene flow in the direction from modern humans to Neanderthals was found. The latter result would not be unexpected if contact occurred between a small colonizing population of modern humans and a much larger resident population of Neanderthals. A very limited amount of interbreeding could explain the findings, if it occurred early enough in the colonization process. [3]
Are you sure of your facts? The author of the Wiki-article is less sure. Let's see:
While interbreeding is viewed as the most parsimonious interpretation of the genetic discoveries, the authors point out they cannot conclusively rule out an alternative scenario, in which the source population of non-African modern humans was already more closely related to Neanderthals than other Africans were, due to ancient genetic divisions within Africa. [3]
