Childbirth, A Protection For Women (Per Paul)... How?

by AGuest 212 Replies latest jw friends

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  Band on the Run

  Addnedum. Crossan argues that modern scholarship shows that Paul did not preach to Jews or primarily Gentiles but "god-fearers," members of other nationalities that were attracted to Judaism. If circumcision were not the requirement to convert, they would have become Jews. They worshipped and studied with the Jews. It makes a lot of sense to me. If Paul were preaching to Gentiles, why would he even mention Jewish custom to teach Jesus. Paul's voice invented Christianity as we know it. Paul's preaching to Jews would not find a welcome audience.

  If the quotes were from Peter or James, apostles known to be in Jerusalem, (Matthew would be a great example if the author were the apostle), your argument might have more sense. Paul was boldly going where no Christian went before. The average JW knows much more about 1st century history than you do. Scholarship is not your thing, though, is it?
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  cofty

  Sab - got it thanks and replied.
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  AGuest

  I said he received Roman citizenship b/c he was born to a Jewish family that was gifted (gifted implies without a cash transaction).

  And you were wrong. Unequivocally and definitively. Both biblically and secularly. In spite of YOUR law degree (and proclaimed many years of practice) although what that has to do with anything here is... well... another example of the utter ridiculousness you keep bringing to these discussions.

  But no, no misphrasing and no intent to make you seem weird and outlandish. You accomplish that all by your own self... with absolutely NO help from me. THAT... you can put faith in.

  A slave of Christ,

  SA
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  EntirelyPossible

  You accomplish that all by your own self... with absolutely NO help from me. THAT... you can put faith in.

  Speaking of which, let's look at a quote from another poster...

  Hypocrites! If anyone should know this to be true... it should be you. Your "little knowledge" will ultimately be responsible for many millions LOSING ENTRY INTO THE KINGDOM. YOU are not going in... and due to your false prophesying, misleading rhetoric, and lying propoganda... you are not allowing THOSE to go in, either. And you have been WARNED of this... but you fail to turn back from you wicked works... your ARROGRANT theft of the glory that belongs to the Holy One of Israel, the Son of God and HIS Faithful and Discreet Slave, JAHESHUA MISCHAJAH, the One whom He, the MOST Holy One of Israel, JAH of Armies, has appointed over ALL of HIS belongings! You can use the excuse all day long that you THOUGHT you were "serving 'Jehovah'" but the very words that you use with regard to others, "Lord, Lord, didn't we prophesy in your name, etc." will come back upon you when my Lord says to YOU: "Get AWAY from, you workers of lawlessness... I NEVER KNEW YOU." That is because you... and your Pharisaical "leaders" with you... in your ARROGANT "seating" of yourselves in a position given ONLY to him... have literally rejected the VERY "stone" on which you were to build!

  Some posters thing they can say who's going to heaven or not. Weird, eh?
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  N.drew

  I would link 1 Timothy 2:15 with 1 Timothy 1:19. It's not talking about physical safety.

  "keeping faith and a good conscience, which some have rejected and suffered shipwreck in regard to their faith."

  "Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety."
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  Band on the Run

  A Guest, Submit statement contradicting me from major scholar and the Bible (the standard Bible; not one of your own making). What is that famous line if you lie enough......I stand on scholarship and plain reading. Your negating me does not prove your point. One of the problems here is that this is a relaxed site. You write whatever drivel comes into your head. Since it is your interior process, you need provide no proof.

  How you are different from the GB and every silly little man in the religion is beyond me. When someone holds you to a standard of truth, you cry like a baby does.
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  sabastious

  Band you have a PM
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  botchtowersociety

  So, now, here you have christian women... who were formerly JEWS

  Lots of talk about Jews and Romans regarding a passage from 1 Corinthians.

  That letter is written to the congregation at Corinth by the "Apostle to the Gentiles." Plenty of Greeks there.
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  AGuest

  Hi, dear N.Drew (the greatest of love and peace to you, dear one!). I actually looked at the Greek for the word rendered "if" at 1 Timothy 2:15. Not sure it's accurately translated "if." The Master can tell you, though...

  Some posters thing they can say who's going to heaven or not. Weird, eh?

  As a group, well, yes, dear EP (peace to you!). My Lord STATED what group of folks will... and what group will not. So, sure. Even so, MANY here have consigned not only those groups who "shut up the kingdom of the heavens"... but even individuals... to worse than not going in: to destinies such as eternal torment/burning in "hell"... destruction at "Armageddon". Some folks even attempt to kill such ones here and now (via the occasional bombing of KHs). These actually have specific people in mind.

  I did not and do not, however, have any specific individuals in mind... not even poor Carey Barber, who I met personally and knew to be an utter imposter. Because while it is true that such hypocrites do not go in... and won't... who they turn out to be specifically (save, perhaps literal current acting members of the WTBTS GB, etc., at the TIME), I do not know. I do not care.

  Any one of them could "repent" and call out for mercy, say, on their deathbed. With their last breath, even. Who knows? I certainly don't. And the Most Holy One of Israel shows mercy to whomever He wishes to show it... regardless of what you or I might feel about what such one "deserves."

  But, yes, the hypocrites who shut up the kingdom of the heavens? They do so because they're not going in... so they stand in the way of others going in, too.

  No weirdness there, dear one. Just truth.

  Again, peace to you!

  A slave of Christ,

  SA
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  EntirelyPossible

  I did not and do not, however, have any specific individuals in mind... not even poor Carey Barber, who I met personally and knew to be an utter imposter.

  Sorry, Shel. We only accept the truth here. You posted that to a specific poster.