Difficulties understanding passage.

by s-c-3-1-3 57 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • Phizzy
    Phizzy

    I have recently been looking in to the whole issue of translation, early manuscripts, and the difficulty of interpretation.

    I have come to the conclusion that the NWT is a very poor rendition of most of scripture, though it occasionally shines ! and in places it is down-right dishonest, as in the Colossians scripture. ( "other" , you could not get a more blatant example of the translators beliefs dictating the rendering.)

    If you wish to understand what the Bible actually says then get some good Bible translations, or use the on-line sites that compare many translations.

    There are only a few early manuscripts, a complete one earlier than the 3rd Century does not exist, so all we have are copies of copies of even more copies which are then translated. We cannot know what was originally written. There are no manuscripts that the WT has looked at that are special to them.

    With the NWT they did not really translate it seems to me, they did not have anyone capable. They consulted other translations and used the published works of selected scholars to make their own version.

    To argue for a doctrine or belief from just one scripture is silly, to base that belief on a rendering by the NWT is even more silly, in my humble opinion.

  • Larsinger58
    Larsinger58

    One way to think of it is that Jehovah needed to create things and he needed a magic wand to do so. So first he created a magic wand and then using the wanted he created all things, that is, all "other" things.

    Language is a subjective thing and lots of leeway is given to render the correct interpretation which sometimes cannot be a direct interupretation. An intelligent culture such as the Jews, if you said God created Jesus and through, by and for Jesus, all things were created, they would understand the two exceptions would be Jehovah himself and Jesus himself which by context are excluded. But in English, though this is also obvious, inserting "other" is appropriate to avoid confusion.

    it is much like where in one place we see there is "but one god and one lord" and yet in another it says there are "many gods and many lords." Most don't consider this a contradiction, but it can be if you take the two references out of context.

    An easier reference for whether Christ and Jehovah are the same, are the numerous references to what they are to each other, which is Father and Son. Start there and extrapolate what "son" means and you can't go wrong.

    LS

  • sizemik
    sizemik
    An easier reference for whether Christ and Jehovah are the same, are the numerous references to what they are to each other, which is Father and Son. Start there and extrapolate what "son" means and you can't go wrong. . . . Lars

    Oh yes you can . . . it's not a human relationship but is described in human terms . . . for that reason alone you can be very wrong.

  • wobble
    wobble

    The first thing the Bible did wrong was to Anthropomorphise the Supreme Being, if one were to exist, no description in human terms would suffice.

  • hooberus
  • hooberus
  • Vanderhoven7
    Vanderhoven7

    The WTS does not appreciate the fact that according to scripture, Jesus Christ is Creator of the universe. God is not part of the creation. All of creation is attributed to Jesus Christ. Even angels know to worship their Creator. The WTS must add to the scriptures to maintain their position and deny His full deity.

  • s-c-3-1-3
    s-c-3-1-3

    Isaiah 43 proves that Jesus did not create "all other things." God in the flesh would just confirm the oneness of Jesus and Jehovah, would it not? Also, John 14:28 says that Jehovah is greater than Jesus, but then again in John 10:30 it says Jehovah and Jesus are one. Both of these can't be right. Just out of curiosity, is a Jehovah Witness allowed believing Jesus is God?

  • N.drew
  • N.drew
    N.drew

    Maybe the scripture at John 10:30 means head for the Father or head for the son you will end up at the same place (spiritually).

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