Call to legal department Jan 6, 2012

by koolaid-man 65 Replies latest jw friends

  • sizemik
    sizemik

    I feel terribly for this guy Dale . . . he's doing some hard yards . . . looks pretty stressed and tired.

    I'm sure it does keep a lot of people in the Organisation wannabefree . . . which is exactly why this guy's hope of them lightening up on the "Apostate" situation is a forlorn one . . . they're more likely to tighten not lighten (it works).

    It's a pity he is down on his resources . . . he needs good legal advice. That being said, this alienation of affection law should have some wheels at first glance . . . and could indeed be a precedent problem for the WTS. I hope so.

    I doubt it being criminal law . . . more likely tort, which will allow him to sue for damages. I'm sure a good lawyer would look at a lot more than 120k worth of alimony . . . a lot more.

    'Mental cruelty' as a result of a change in religious views? WTF? Seems to fly in the face of constitutional rights.

    Nice to see you assisting through his site koolaid-man

    Thanks for the post

  • thetrueone
    thetrueone

    How about mental cruelty upon the guy for simply not wanting to participate in a religion and that religion now telling the wife

    and daughter of the man to not associate with him. WTF

    There's got to be something illegal about that .........just saying

  • Morbidzbaby
    Morbidzbaby

    Great post, Rick! Unfortunately, this type of thing is all too common in the org...spouses divorcing because of "spiritual endangerment" in bOrg terms, but in legal terms, they go after "alienation of affection"...or even "abandonment". My own ex husband claimed abandonment on a restraining order he took out...when it was HE who threw ME out into the streets and left me without a choice but to leave and go back to my home state!!

    I hope Dale is successful in his endeavors. Please keep us updated!

  • DesirousOfChange
    DesirousOfChange

    The secret is to get a case before a jury of 12 people too dumb to get out of serving on a jury.

    All you have to do is persuade 7 of them to award a lot of the WTS money to you.

    DOC

  • yourmomma
    yourmomma

    this seems like a new level of radical against apostates

  • Snoozy
    Snoozy

    I would get on facebook and look up as many newspapers as I could and submit your story to them..surely one will pick it up ..bad press for the JW's..

    Showing the evil side of a "Loving" organization.

    Maybe even radio talk shows? Call in to a few of them.

    But be sure that you have documentation and names in case they decide to sue you..

    Snoozy..throw the book at them..

  • Diest
    Diest

    Id donate to get this guy a lawyer. I think this is the kind of case that might have legs. Allienation of affection can be a very real thing. Given the CO's comments and the the new Washtowel article I think they may have set themselves up. If I did give money id only send it to lawyer on the Illinois Bar.

  • diamondiiz
    diamondiiz

    I feel sorry for the guy as he's still in denial or what's going on.

    There is no possibility of wts falling apart any time soon, nor will they ever change their view on apostasy! If anything they will make things worse!

    The guy said too much to the cult lawyer. The cult lawyers don't care about anyone nor do they care about someone who's life was destroyed by their organization. Just because the lawyer can sound sympathetic on the phone doesn't make him any more caring than when JWs are at the door listening to the householder talking about something other than supporting the wts.

    He should get a lawyer before the final divorce, and get counseling so he can be mentally and emotionally ready for the divorce and try to get the custody of the kids. Forget the wife, and I know it's devastating for him but that's where counseling should help. Cult members like the wife may free themselves but waiting for such a time is wishful thinking and unrealistic. His interests should be to benefit himself and his kids. He needs to realize that he was stuck in a cult for a long time and playing nice with such assholes just doesn't work. Allowing the kids to go with the wife without a fight because you're nice, is a BAD idea!! You are basically allowing the cult to hold your loved ones hostage and program them further to hate you. I don't know how old his kids may be, but due to 10 years of payments, I'm guessing one is about 8 which is still too young to understand what's going on other than trusting the mother who is under cult control and trusting assholes in the KH who don't care for them nor their mother. If he plays nice and allows the mother to take the kids, the kids will be ruined just like many have been because of the wts.

    On another note, I'm surprised there aren't more people who go "postal" on elders or any of these people who destroyed their families.

    Also any non-JW lurkers who are dating JWs should really think about this video and what kind of cult they're getting involved with. You never know what kind of noo light those old douchebags in Crooklyn will come up in the future as they can always come up with the idea that non-jw mates are bad association, should be divorced. I'm sure they can use Israels examples leaving Babylon or any other BS example where Jews had to leave their mates to put nation of Israel ahead of their mates. These sort of cults love control and being married to a cult member is a big unknown! You don't know what the future noo light will be that may affect you and your relationship with the cult member or how it will affect your finances or your kids.

  • sizemik
    sizemik
    Id donate to get this guy a lawyer. I think this is the kind of case that might have legs.

    @Diest . . . you are a very generous man. I agree that this approach is worth legal perusal, the law being what it is. It appears from the little I've viewed that it is a common law tort for just these circumstances . . . ie; where a legal marriage ended through the direct influence of a third party and results in economic disadvantage.

    @diamondiiz . . . you make excellent points. nice post. I wonder if a successful suit under 'alienation of affection" would also be helpful in a custody hearing? Particularly considing the nature of the third party in this case.

    Maybe Rick can help us out with some more info? . . . although I realise this is personal, Dale has gone fairly public already.

    Rick . . . is Dale getting or planning to get legal advice do you know?

  • DJPoetech
    DJPoetech

    interesting post. I was divorced from my devout J-Dub ex wife, not for mental cruelty, but for emotional violence. ?!?!

    Ive never understood that one but it went thru the courts without a hiccup.

    Initially. I thought this would be an excellent opportunity to bring the details into the courts about how the Watchtower was cultishly effecting and causing the problems we were having. I realized I could have a bad lengthy divorce or a quick divorce.

    Like diamondiiz said "There is no possibility of the wts falling apart anytime soon...", the magnitude of the indoctrination is deeply ingrained and if I had went down that path then, I would probably not be as far ahead as I am now with my own life.

    So I decided to make a quick divorce and build a life completely my own that my child could witness as an example of someone, "outside the Truth" that did alright recognizing birthdays and Christmas. In other words, I left it in God's hands while staying fully present in the moment.

    In the end, no decision for this guy will be an easy one, but I would suggest counceling for what is to come so he can cope with the big 180 divorce brings into the picture.

Share this

Google+
Pinterest
Reddit