It makes no sense whatsoever that a" CREATOR" would only communicate with a minority of the population then put the onus on them to convey this life saving message to the WHOLE wide world

by smiddy 182 Replies latest jw experiences

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  N.drew

  What about the millions of people who lived and died before Abraham was born? Were they clueless about God's plan? Did God love them?

  Yes. There exists seven million people without a clue. They have 1. the Bible 2. the Hope (Jesus) 3. Libraries 4. Internet 5. Thousands of years of history and more, but cling to falsehood. How is it hard to believe that there are extremely few who will obey heaven?

  The second question is surely God loves ever living thing. When their way gets ruined they even still have God's love, but they don't know it.
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  poopsiecakes

  If God truly communicated to anyone, faith would not be necessary at all - faith is what makes people hear what they want to hear. If their faith is tied up with a religion, then they 'hear' the doctrine of that religion. If their faith is not tied up with a religion, then they 'hear' what works best for them - for most (thankfully) what works is treating people with kindness and not being judgmental etc etc. Unfortunately, some 'hear' some pretty nasty things and act on them.
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  tec

  Given 'A', it's hard to understand why people get worked up over correct beliefs. Cults and Fundamentalists believe Salvation itself hinges on the details of dogma.

  Yes, just like the pharisees rebuked in the bible.

  I think I have been rumbled.

  :)... I don't know what that means.

  This is exactly what a Muslim would say to you.

  I don't think we were talking about different religions... but rather different people of the same faith hearing different things. (Or not hearing and claiming that you are)

  In either case, the relationship between the Muslim and God is between the Muslim and God. There are muslims who 'hear' the same thing as a christian or a hindu or a buddhist, regarding peace and forgiveness and love of neighbor (friend or foe).

  Peace,

  Tammy
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  OnTheWayOut

  Maybe god speaks through prophets like Ghandi, Mother Theresa, and John Lennon. "All You Need Is Love," was a hit single and still played on the radio today. Hell, my daughter was introduced to it on a video game.

  Then stop worrying about the heathens. Quit ridiculously difficult faiths like Islam or anything else that makes a portion of the believers into secondary members (women in the case of Muslims). If God sent me a message thru John Lennon, then all I truly need is love. As long as I am basically a loving kind atheist, I am fine.

  Stop letting religion and belief define what is righteous and what is sin. We have the laws of men separate from religion to obey and we have our conscience to obey. Generally, we have the Golden Rule written upon our conscience. Some choose to ignore it. Obey it and be happy. If this life is all there is, enjoy. If it isn't, be glad you obeyed your conscience.

  .... "GOD"has only dealt with a few of his favoured spokespersons to deliver his messages to a minority populace.

  ....smiddy

  I feel the same as you, smiddy. I feel "duped" by JW's who are "duped" by fundamentalist Christianity. I mean, it's like aliens only visiting rural areas. If that is true, it would be because they don't want their presence known. Same with God. Choosing a slightly insignificant people with a very insignificant language and ability to spread the word shows that the god of these people wanted to remain rather exclusive. Those two fellows, Jesus and Paul, really messed that up for YHWH. You have to learn to get over being duped by JW's and Christianity. Some of the most highly educated people were duped as well.
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  tec

  What makes anyone think that some religion's definition of faith is correct?

  People hear.... "you have to have faith"... and backs go up, because faith had become related to blind belief.

  But what if faith (in the spirit, being able to listen to that quiet inner voice) is necessary to hearing because that is the place/state you can hear God (who is spirit... or His Son for the same reason)? Faith being more like the 'tool' allowing one to hear? Not e x actly like that... but more like that than the correlation between faith and blind belief.

  So it isn't that God is choosing people at random... He chooses people who can and will hear him (necessary).

  Peace,

  Tammy
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  OnTheWayOut

  Tammy, apparently you disagree with "all you need is love." You have to slip in that Jesus fellow- "His son." You straddle the fence of accepting good people who are not Christians and rejecting people because they don't have faith in Jesus. Let it go. Accept that it is fine for you and not for Bhuddists and Hindus and the like.

  Your statements of "faith" make anyone who doesn't accept the Jesus story into people who reject "the inner voice." I know that isn't your intention, but really look at what you said. Even stopping short of accepting the Jesus story, you insult unbelievers with your idea of faith being necessary. My inner voice finally woke up to the FACT FACT FACT that the whole Jesus story is pure mythology no different than the rest of them. Long live Odin, Jupiter, and Mithra!

  I have backed off on picking fights with you, Tammy. It's because you are a genuine believer who doesn't push an agenda on us. But please try to understand how even your softer, kinder, gentler brand of Christianity is still insulting.
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  poopsiecakes

  So it isn't that God is choosing people at random... He chooses people who can and will hear him

  Wouldn't it be more impressive if he would communicate to those who are not already worshipping him? Why preach to the converted - this seems like a waste of time if there's a real message to be delivered. If everyone 'heard' a simultaneous and specific message, everyone would be talking about it, know it for what it is and there would be no doubt and no need for faith.
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  N.drew

  Wouldn't it be more impressive if he would communicate to those who are not already worshipping him? Why preach to the converted - this seems like a waste of time if there's a real message to be delivered. If everyone 'heard' a simultaneous and specific message, everyone would be talking about it, know it for what it is and there would be no doubt and no need for faith.

  How do you not know what the message is?
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  unshackled

  Some don't want to hear Him, because they want to do their own thing instead of what He calls for us to do... which is to love and care for one another.

  Hi Tammy. That comment seems to imply that one can't love and care for others unless they "hear Him". I'd suggest there are millions of non-believers who are sans faith that do have genuine love and care for others. Belief in a god is not necessary at all. And as poopsie pointed out, for a great many their faith causes the exact opposite of love and care.
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  tec

  Tammy, apparently you disagree with "all you need is love."

  I do not disagree with it... but not everyone agrees with what love is. Is it love for all... or love for your own? If everyone agreed with the love for all, then we wouldn't have a problem. But some people tend to limit their love to those they like... never minding those they do not like.

  You have to slip in that Jesus fellow- "His son." You straddle the fence of accepting good people who are not Christians and rejecting people because they don't have faith in Jesus. Let it go. Accept that it is fine for you and not for Bhuddists and Hindus and the like.

  I don't reject anyone. Why do you think that my following and mention of Christ means that I reject those who do not have or know Him? I don't even think that He rejects those who do not have or know them?

  Should I never mention someone who leads me to love again, because some people think that means I reject those who do not know him?

  Your statements of "faith" make anyone who doesn't accept the Jesus story into people who reject "the inner voice."

  No, my faith does not. Over and again I have stated that the faith of others and God is between them and God.

  I know that isn't your intention, but really look at what you said.

  Okay... this is what I said:

  God (who is spirit... or His Son for the same reason)?

  Even stopping short of accepting the Jesus story, you insult unbelievers with your idea of faith being necessary. My inner voice finally woke up to the FACT FACT FACT that the whole Jesus story is pure mythology no different than the rest of them. Long live Odin, Jupiter, and Mithra!

  My idea of faith being necessary to hear God insults someone who does not believe in God? Why? Why would someone who does not believe in God care about hearing or not hearing something they think does not e x ist?

  As for facts... don't you have to be able to prove a fact before it can be called a fact?

  I have backed off on picking fights with you, Tammy. It's because you are a genuine believer who doesn't push an agenda on us. But please try to understand how even your softer, kinder, gentler brand of Christianity is still insulting.

  Well, I'm glad you don't pick fights with me, but there is no reason not to be able to have a discussion, is there?

  I can understand how an unbeliever might be insulted by an implication that they might be lacking something. But is it not a fact that you are lacking faith in God, if you do not believe in Him?

  If that is not what you find insulting, then you will have to tell me further what you find insulting, because I don't know.

  Peace,

  Tammy