If the WT dumped 1914 tommorow ...?

by faithfulslavedriver 70 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • Larsinger58
    Larsinger58

    Thetrueone: Since most religionists aren't well studied in human history, its not surprising that they would over look this bit of factual information.

    Very good. You noticed. Very, very good. Two things:

    1) Even if there were several events in the past that could qualify as a "world war", 1914 was one of those choices. That brings up the critical next point:

    2) Many of these events that must occur during the last generation have occurred before. So what Christ was presenting was a supplement to what would occur before his second coming. This is where CHRONOLOGY comes in. You see, to fulfill everything, you have to combine these signs and events with the chronology of the second coming. So it is not a matter of being confused over some of these wars or world wars that might have happened before, but that event occurring close enough to the second coming date.

    Now the chronology affecting this last generation, of course, includes at least four critical events.

    1. The "great tribulation" where two-thirds of the Jews are exterminated (Zech 13:8) begins at the cut-off time of 62 weeks into the last 70th week of 490 years. We can easily calculate when the 70 weeks begin during our time by simply calculatikng down 490-year periods from 36 CE. 36 CE ends the 70th week of the first coming. Thus 4 x 490 = 1960 + 36 = 1996. 1996 ends the 70th week of the second coming, the 70th week being from 1989-1996. So based on that, the messiah, who arrives mid-week at the second coming (he arrives at the first of the week at the first coming) we know Christ would arrive in 1992-1993. But the "great tribulation" which would see the end of two-thirds of the Jews would occur betwen 1940-1947. The 70 weeks ending in 1996 begin in 1506. 62 weeks is 434 years, so 1506 + 434 = 1940. The length of the great tribulation, which days were cut short, was to last 7 years and thus from 1940-1947. Indeed, the Holocaust did exterminate two-thirds of the Jews. The "great tribuilation" was thus the Holocaust and WWII which ended in 1945. But the Bible says unless the days were cut short, "no flesh would be saved", that is, the flesh of the holy ones, the Jews, who by late 1944 had already been two-thirds exterminated.

    This is a critical reference, though, because the Bible describes it as a one-time event. A tribulation that was so shocking that it never happened before nor would happen again. That's easily applied to the Holocaust which was quite unique. But again, the chronology requires this to be fulfilled between 1940-1947.

    The other prophec involved requires all these events to occur within a generation of a world war. So just based on the unique event of the Holocaust, WWI would qualify as beginning that generation.

    Also unique during the last generation that would see the second coming is the establishment of the State of Israel. The Bible refers to his as the budding of the fig tree, after which the messiah would be "near at the doors." So the Jews would not come out of exile until the "great tribulation" occurred and that event occurred on November 30, 1947, with the "Partition Agreement" from the UN giving the Jews their own country again. The State of Israel was set up shortly after in 1948. So that's another unique event that would identify the correct "last generation."

    So even for very studious histsorical students like yourself, there is a lot required to line up to identify the true "last generation" which must begin with a world war and before ending see the second coming. WWI fits this application since it creates the 1914-1994 generatio and the second coming occurred in 1992. So that's why you have CHRONOLOGY. Chronology combined with the signs identify the correct time. Again those things include:

    1. The messiah does not arrive before the State of Israel is set up, and thus not before 1948.

    2. The messiah does not arrive until after the "great tribulation" -- Matt. 24:29 "Immediately after the tribulation of those days... the sign of the son of man would appear." That great tribulation was the Holocaust/WWII. The reestablishment of the State of Israel follows this great tribulation.

    3. The "end of the gentile times", when the Jews officially come out of exile, which occurred on November 30, 1947 is also the end of the 1290 days! This is when Jehovah begins to bless the Jews and reestablish them in their homeland. This has occurred. The State of Israel is great modern nation. But that means to fulfill the "1335 days" which is the date of the second coming, the 2nd coming must occur in 1992!

    1290+45=1335

    1947+45=1992

    This fits an event occurring before the end of the generation ending in 1994.

    4. The two messiahs, first and second coming, must fulfill the 70th week, thus we already know based on the end of the first 70 weeks ending in 36 CE that the second coming 70th week would end in 1996. Thus Christ must appear to fulfill the 70th week sometime between 1989-1996. Since that includes 1992, you have harmony.

    5. Of course, there is the issue of the "7 times" which inserts 2520 years from the fall of Jerusalem to the 2nd coming. I won't debate what the true date for the fall of Jerusalem is because of the secular push to date that event in 587/586 BCE or the WTS' failed effort to date that event to 607 BCE. I'll just note that the VAT4956 has two references in it, in lines 3 and 14, which both match the lunar cycle of 511 BCE. Presumed to be a cryptic reference the original timeline for year 37 of Nebuchadnezzar II, that reference independently dates the 19th of Neb-II to 529 BCE as an optional date to consider as the fall of Jerusalem. If you go with that application, it would confirm that 568 BCE is a spurious date for year 37 of Neb-II. But of curious note, once you get to the point that this is the best reference to the original timeline, when dating year 19 of Neb-II to 529 BCE, funny to me you get 1992 as the date for the second coming, a date we are stuck with based on 1947.

    So no problem harmonizing all those prophecies, even if you use secular historical references from ancient astronomy.

    So when all is said and done, sure there are a lot of choices, but at this point it should be clear that 1992 is the only option to fulfill both the chronology and the events that identifies the last generation of the second coming.

    But having noted that, if 1992 was the date the messiah was supposed to appear, then WHERE IS HE?

    Well, as the WTS has pointed out, Christ arrives rather secretly to most of the world who appears after his return as a "thief in the night." That means the majority of the world finds out about his arrival long after the fact. But did the Christ truly return in 1992?

    YUP! I'm right here. I became the messiah on December 25, 1992.

    So the Bible and its prophecies are TRUE. The WTS and others misinterpreting the Bible or who cling to erroneous revised history will get confused and get it wrong. But there is little excuse now. Nobody accepts 607 BCE, but revising history was common. 539 BCE is also the wrong date for the fall of Babylon. The Bible asserts 455 BCE must date the 1st of Cyrus. When that occurs, 70 years of exile dates the last deportation in 525 BCE, year 23 of Neb-II. Jerusalem falls 4 years earlier in year 19, thus in 529 BCE. Funny to me that means the second coming occurs in 1992, the same date you get for 45 years after 1947, the end of Jewish exile from their homeland.

    Some, I believe, love darkness and confusion. It gives them some freedom. Once the light is on and there is little choice, people don't like it, especially when they are arriving late or too late for it to matter. That's the situation here. Armageddon is here now. It's time to face our Maker.

    LS

  • thetrueone
    thetrueone

    The doctrines never mean anything. How do you think they can change so often and this cult still be in existence?

    In any cult, the teachings don't matter as much as the authority.

    Good point Jeff

  • thetrueone
    thetrueone

    Larsinger58 says .....

    YUP! I'm right here. I became the messiah on December 25, 1992.

    Ok nice to meet you Messiah or I mean my lord and savior Jesus Christ !

    I was just wondering what Mental Health Institute are you staying at right now ? I would like to personally meet you

    and talk over some things

  • Larsinger58
    Larsinger58

    thetrueone:

    Ok nice to meet you Messiah or I mean my lord and savior Jesus Christ !

    I was just wondering what Mental Health Institute are you staying at right now ? I would like to personally meet you.

    ROFL!! Now that's the normal, typical reaction. But maybe you should go beyond what most religions expect or the WTS teaches regarding the second coming! Most have a superficial view of what is supposed to occur, and even fewer deal with chronology, which at least the WTS does! So before you dismiss me as the true messiah, you need to consider some things. (I'll be right back, the nurse is bringing in my meds!)

    Okay. Did you know that the Jews always understood there were to be two messiahs? One who comes through the line of David/Judah, but the other one through the line of Joseph? That's right! So that alone is problematic. That alone proves that Christ must return in the flesh again.

    Now add that to the context of this clearly messianic representation by high-priest Joshua who is becoming a king at Zech 3.

    3: Now as for Joshua, he happened to be clothed in befouled garments and standing before the angel. 4 Then he answered and said to those standing before him: "Remove the befouled garments from upon him." And he went on to say to him: "See, I have caused your error to pass away from upon you, and there is a clothing of you with robes of state."

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    At that I said: "Let them put a clean turban upon his head." And they proceeded to put the clean turban upon his head and to clothe him with garments; and the angel of Jehovah was standing by. "

    Now, I'm going to be blunt because I can afford to and it takes too much time to explain. The first coming is about the sacrifice. The second coming is when Christ returns as a king-priest. So note the context here: you have a priext becoming a king. So this is about the second coming. But note this is a sinful person with befouled garments. He gets new garments and is forgiven is past sins. So this is problematic since we know Christ to be sinless. But turns out, that is only for the first coming! Christ must be a sinless sacrifice for the first coming to be a sacrifice. So he has to be born with no human father. Still, he must be born in connection with a descendant of Adam. But that sacrifice was good for all time. Plus, he can't use that sinless body anymore since it was given up in sacrifice. So for the second coming he becomes flesh again through one of his adult followers. This person happens to have lived the life of the prodigal son. Thus we see high-priest Joshua appearing with befouled garments, representing his past sinful life of immorality. This is the same scene of the prodigal son who returns and is given new robes! That's the KEY. Joshua is the prodigal son who is now returning.

    Now notice that the "angel of Jehovah" is standing by. Huh? If Joshua represents Jesus Christ, then how is it that he is also standing next to himself? Well what is really happening is the Scriptures are telling us that Jesus as the "angel of Jehovah" is standing by because he is getting ready to jump into the body of Joshua! That is,Joshua represents the "pre-messiah", the person into whose body Christ dwells at the second coming. He just happened to have lived the immoral life of the prodigal son but returned just in time to be chosen as the physical manifestation of the messiah at the 2nd coming. But you see, he's an imperfect man.

    So #1, if you are not looking for a physical second coming of Christ in the body of an imperfect person, then you are not looking for the right messiah. So I just happened to be that person. I grew up in the truth and was very zealous but being gay and transgendered threw me a loop. I was confused over that and, no excuse, ended up leaving the truth and exploring my sexuality. That included an immoral life, which I'm not proud of. I was out of the truth for a long time (c'mon, you said you wanted to talk! These meds make me type fast! ) Then I finally figured out I was never going to work out my homosexuality and that being in the truth and celibate was a better deal for me--if God would accept me back. So I returned to the truth actively after the Memorial of 1992.

    That same summer I began to understand a lot more things in the Bible and eventually became one of the "anointed." I thought I had a special role as a prophet since I saw many false teachings by the WTS. I thought I was being pursued by agents of Satan who were trying to kill me, but secret anointed ones were arranging for me to escape to a private location so I could continue my research. This entailed at one point jumping into a dumpster where an exchange with another person would take place and then I would escape from there is a camper. But turns out there was no one else in that dumpster except me. I was instructed by holy spirit to get comfortable and then I must have fallen asleep. I was transferred by spirit into heaven and witnessed the "battle in heaven" which was really a court trail to see if Satan was worthy of death or not. Satan was condemned primarily because regardless of his disappointments with Jehovah's rule, there was no excuse for murdering lots of innocent people. If Satan was unhappy, he should have just committed suicide and made his statement of disdain that way. But killing billions of innocent people was just vengeful. So Satan was condemned at the trial. But by this time I was suspicious of who I was. It seemed I was the center of a lot of this and thus not simply a prophet. When I asked where was Jesus Christ, his spirit suddenly dropped down into my body! After that, I had a personal interview with Jehovah himself. I was the messiah.

    The next day in the afternoon, there were images in the clouds. An infant lying on a cloud next to an eagle. Out of heaven came a voice that said: "This is my son, whom I have approved." Just like before.

    But then, I realized that the parable of the prodigal son was actually about me and my trials with and failures dealing with my homosexuality. It was about me leaving the truth for a long time and in the process leading an immoral, sexually active lifestyle before returning to the "truth." So it was real.

    So what YOU have to deal with, is deciding whether or not the parable of the prodigal son is linked with high-priest Joshua, both of whom get new robes. If you do link them together, then the messiah would be a person in the flesh and an ordinary man who lived the life of the prodigal son; that is, who left the truth temporarily living an immoral life for a while, and then upon his return, God making him the choice of the messiah. It's wierd, but it's Biblical.

    I'm coming out now more since likely Armageddon will occur this year. I'm to be revealed soon so I'm providing some background and context for when I'm revealed. That is, many don't accept me based on the parables of the prodigal son or the rich man and Lazarus. They can't deal with the chronology of the 2nd coming occurring in 1992. They want a "sign" some miracle to prove I'm the messiah. So when that happens many will believe but it will be too late.

    So, yup! Big surprise to me too that the messiah returns this way and that I'm actually that person. It is still hard for me to accept and believe, but it's all right there in the Bible, and it happened at the precise time it was supposed to and everything.

    So I always note for people not to take my word that I'm the messiah if they don't want to. But if they are not looking for a black, ex-JW, ex-male prostitute messah in the flesh, then they are looking for the wrong messiah. Plus the "sign of the son of man" which appears to the elect represents the prodigal son messiah as a black man.

    So as wierd and unexpected as this all is, this is how Jehovah set it up.

    But you come at a great time. I'm about to be "revealed" now, as prophesied (it's been nearly 20 years since the 2nd coming in 1992) and so Armageddon is finally about to occur and you have a front-row seat!

    Anyway, I may or may not be the messiah, but the messiah is supposed to be here in an imperfect body at the second coming. If you don't get that right then you are not following scripture.

    Now remember, the five wise virgins get this right, but they don't give one drop to the foolish virgins! That is part of the problem for many since most don't trust themselves when it comes to the Bible. They need to get a consensus from others, from the group, before they can make any choices. Problem is, many you might know have clearly understood this and accept I'm the messiah, but they can't help there. They can't talk about it. The wise virgins can't share their oil. This is something YOU have to figure out on your own. You have to leave the broad road now leading off into destruction and strike out on your own down the cramped and narrow path. That is single file. You have to realize this on your OWN and set up your own relationship with Jehovah and Christ. If you need someone to hold your hand on this journey, you will be disappointed.

    So don't exclude the possibility that everybody else in this room has figured out I'm the messiah, and we are all waiting on you, the last person, to realize it. You're looking around to see who else is buying it, but they can't let on they've bought it. This is one thing you must do on your own. The NARROW PATH is the way to life. I have many followers who are faking being active witnesses. But they can't let on that they know I'm the messiah! So do your own thinking.

    So go with your own instincts and don't look for anyone else to agree with you here. The road at this point to life is private and individual.

    I've given you enough information for you to begin to figure out who the messiah is, that is, if you even believe the Bible. Time is running out or has run out!

    I'm actually the real deal, only it is not what is expected, but it IS what the Bible teaches.

    So the ball is in your court. People claim to be too busy now to pay attention to this, but once the world is ending and Armageddon is starting, then suddenly all will have plenty of time to latch on to every word I say, but it will be too late.

    LS

  • mP
    mP

    @lars

    now tht you bring up laxarus, can you please check the story of osiris. did you know lazarus in hebrew is the same as osiris. they both had two sisters with almost identical names. check the whole stories of both. if you study the ymbolism you will better understnd the similarities.

    google for --lazarus osiris-- there are many interesting thoughts on the topic.

    why is it only john writes down this fantastic story and the synoptics jut forget or miss it?

  • St George of England
    St George of England

    I cannot see 1914 being dropped anytime soon.

    They would never have printed that two-edition 12 page article on 607BCE (Oct/Nov 2011) if there were any changes afoot.

    When they do eventually stop writing about 1914, this GB will be really old, finishing their days in luxury in their new country retreat, and it will be up to new boys to come up with a new plan.

    George

  • breakfast of champions
    breakfast of champions

    They would never have printed that two-edition 12 page article on 607BCE (Oct/Nov 2011) if there were any changes afoot

    This is very true. They are sticking to their 1914 guns straight through 2014 and beyond. The two articles were to pacify any doubters of their creative history in advance.

    If they did drop 1914 (which they're not) - yes, there are those who need to believe no matter what, but you would get a pretty goood chunk of people leaving.

  • Room 215
    Room 215

    faithfulslavedriver, first and foremost, welcome aboard. To invoke your analogy, that once-steaming turd is now drying out, forming a nearly impenetrable crust that repels logic and common sense.

  • Amelia Ashton
    Amelia Ashton

    It doesn't matter what the GB says and is subsequently proven to be wrong because "it is the truth" and loyalty is paramount. Any problems "wait on Jehovah" and he will sort it out.

    Any who do not adhere to this mindset are the ones who will manage to escape.

  • designs
    designs

    Since the Watchtower is going back in time to adopt old ideas on 'Generation' they could adopt the Bible Student's view of 1914 and this being the Millennium in progress.

    Watch for it in a Watchtower soon.

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