@BOTR:: Your post made me cry.
TO ALL LURKERS: the WTS approves of parents humilating their children!
by Chemical Emotions 65 Replies latest jw friends
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Band on the Run
CE,
You may not know but there are laws surrounding intellectual property. Books and music are usually copyrighted. My law profs flaunted the law as did most people. The government and private companies sued people for millions of dollars. It is called copyright law. You can quote brief portions as "fair use" but you can't be too generous. What was perceived to be fair game, no longer is. They even sued individuals for millions. Recording artists also appeared in Congress to explain how their music would stop without copyright protection. Bono and Springsteen testified. Now we have to pay.
Wikipedia and other internet sources will explain the details, which can be irksome.
Also, it is much better to provide a brief summary of the article in your own words. "I found this article to be silly b/c...." "The WT often proclaimed xyz with bizarre numbers," and then post a clickable link to the article. I go crazy when people cut and paste huge portions. It is difficult to read in this format. If I wanted to read the entire article, I would have done so off the forum. I care about what people here think. You can summarize and frame why you are including the link in two sentences at the most.
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Chemical Emotions
thank you for the info, BOTR!
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steve2
@steve, where your parents vicious and evil, did their Bible education create monsters like "Yahweh" you talk about? Were they abusive?
JW parents - like mine - were and are a significant improvement on the God of the Bible they worship. What's a little humiliation compared with being slaughtered in the name of Yahweh?
@steve, where your parents vicious and evil, did their Bible education create monsters like "Yahweh" you talk about? Were they abusive?
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Bubblegum Apotheosis
@ Chemical Emotions, I worry about you child, you are going through some diffucult times, are you suffering from depression? Your fascination with with angry boys, is not going to help your life. You say you are 17 years old, are you still in High School, and planning on attending college? You have your whole life ahead of you, I wish some of the wise sisters on JWN, could pass their wisdom to you. The path you are heading down, leads to pain, disposible relationships, please think about your life, show respect for yourself! I will pray for you!
@steve: I might be wrong, but I thought you posted on a different thread, your parents were cool. They were progressive with education, did not follow the crowd, were not judgemental. I prided myself on putting four of my kids through four year schools, and I felt not one ounce of guilt.
@others, BOTR There are some insane men and women who attend the Kingdom Halls. Cowardly men who pick on children, would they attack at 6:5 290lb man like myself, or recalculate it might be a unhealthy or bone breaking blunder. I have cried reading about babies being shaken to death, started fights in the past, with wife beaters, elderly abusive people. I apologize for the wicked acts these fools have hurt you with.
@rebel18, one of my daughters is 17 and I can't imagine spanking her, no family is perfect, most parents were not trained by professionals, my mamma and pappa were spark plugs, their parents were nuts. Looking back on my Mamma and Pappa, I appreciate how much they grew from the lunatics they were raised by. We parents make so many mistakes, I wish your family was able to find other ways to resolve conflict, violence, humilation and abuse are not qualities of Jesus Christ.
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Bubblegum Apotheosis
People don't want to know about the dangers in their midst, it will cause them to doubt they are in good spiritual hands. When the first report of a monetary settlement hit our local newspapers, it fell upon deaf ears. "It was attributed to evil apostates, who tricked the victims into suing the innocent WatchTower society". One idiot brother/elder said "How will this person heal properly, since the "older men would not be able to grease their heads" (James wrote that passage with the offender in mind, not the victim of some rape) Once the first media blast passed, nothing changed, life went back to normal. When I read the accounts in (Silent Lambs and Barbara Anderson writings) it was apparent, this problem was wider, and the chief concern, was to protect Mother from litigation.
Personally I have seen JW elders treat victims of sexual abuse like dirt. How these self-proclaimed "annointed mens" try to salvage some child lovers, abusers is beyond my ability to comprehend. As a early teenager, one of my brothers friends was trying to help two fourteen year old girls, get into foster care, their step dad was abusing them. The two sisters never received any help from their Hall, C.P.S. finally put them in foster care. Age Sixteen, one of the eloquent brothers had taken a liking to his fifteen year old step- daughter, the mother was insane, beaten and allowed the abuse to continue, as long as he paid their bills. Last time I saw this girl, she was working as a sex worker (porn), damaged for life. No elders ever came to the rescue of any of these young girls, now I feel so dumb, thinking our Organization was blessed by Jehovah.
There are a few others, three of us tried to "out", a valuable brother, he had endless energy, think (Mr. Roboto) "doing the jobs that nobody want's to, his physical works for his Hall were tremendous, able to do the job of three elders. His friends stuck with him not believing all the facts, he was a "good brother, he won't do that!" When he was finally "outed", the outcome was insane, members from other Halls consoled him for all the pain he had suffered???????
The Society avoided the victim, the Halls treated ( the victim like a pariah) the innocent one, like the plague, they showed what truly mattered at all. Not the victim, only the good name of the Organization. Was any disciplinary action ever metted out to this man? (Fornication (heavy petting with 18 year old kids)offensives have had worse) Part of our group, contained a unstable angry elder, he was furious of the Society's judicial punishment! (What he screamed, this is wrong, they need to pay!) The brother played "the pedo's friend, in an attempt to crush him, "blanketed the parking lot with "Warning This Elder Is A Pedophile" "Called all the neighboors, his employer, sent many sisters letters. Still, the eternal loving friends did not want to be warned of the danger in their midst. They accused the acussers of being vigilante, as jealous of brother pedo's fine works, "how can men be so evil and unforving of the unfortunate elder's error?
Ignorant men and women bonded, defended his actions, the local "Herod and his wife Jezebel" have done their best to downplay the sex acts this man commited with a infant. There is a cowardice inside the congregations, that creates a perfect breeding ground for stupid and not-so-stupid sex predators. Since "All Jehovah's Witnesses Are My Brother And Sister, They Must Be Good!"
Can't you see how a predator can view this group, as a sex offenders paradise? Slowly become somebody's spiritual son or daughter, and build their trust, you can be baby sitting, "good brothers don't hurt JWs" It's obscence, a unregisterd sex offender, has access to his spiritual father's 6 year old son or daughter, no alarm bells are not ringing, "he is our brother!" All because of the propaganda that "Jehovah Removes The Wicked Ones From His Congregation" "Jehovah's Kingdom Halls are a refuge from the unsafe world" "Jehovah's Witnesses are the best friends you can have in this wicked world!" "No Sex Offender Would Enter A Kingdom Hall, Jehovah would strike them dead!" We are lost, losing traction, bleeding cash and our leaders have no idea why!
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Chemical Emotions
Bubblegum, I appreciate your concern. I am talking with others on here too about those things.
Planning on going to college. Hopefully. :)
"People don't want to know about the dangers in their midst, it will cause them to doubt they are in good spiritual hands."
Very true in JWs' cases.
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Dogpatch
Steve2 says,
Given that their God, Yahweh, was a genocidal and violent maniac who wiped out entire peoples, including young children and babies, the witnesses are doing way better than Him in their behaviour. What's a little humiliation compared with wiping out children. Besides, people who interpret the Bible literally do tend to have a harsher, less compassionate view of children's behaviour. Yet, credit where its due: The majority of witnesses areno where near as viciously murderous as the God they worship.
That's because they know they are sick, and so try to give the illusion that they are desirous of putting on the mind of Jehovah, who is more polite in his beatings nowadays.
A baseball bat made of hardwood is more Christlike.
Randy
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cliff
No wonder so many are damaged for life ...
Suffer little children to come unto me ....
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talesin
Bubblegum,,, agreed! It's a great topic, and thanks, CE.
Re the other part, yes, it's good to say 'in my district/hall/family' ... I've stepped in it more than once, making blanket statements, and that was my point. There are a good many folk reading that have had horrid experiences, and it's important they are validated. As are the happier stories, because I, too, remember JWs that were nice people *edit didn't beat their kids either *, and have, for example, never shunned me. :))
One thing I'm reminded of many time, is that we all have different, yet equally valid experiences. Discussions like this are humbling learning experiences.
tal