Chronology of George Zimmerman

by Terry 43 Replies latest social current

  • lisaBObeesa
    lisaBObeesa
    Is it possible that Zimmerman is an angry racist?

    Straw man.

    Nobody here has been saying Zimmerman is 'an angry racist.'

    People are saying he racial profiled Trayvon Martin. In other words, people are saying that because Trayvon was black, walking and looking, Zimmerman suspected he was up to no good.

    People doubt that Zimmerman would have suspected this kid walking and looking:

    Raical bias and profiling that led to a kid losing his life, yes. Angry racist, no.

  • NomadSoul
    NomadSoul

    People doubt that Zimmerman would have suspected this kid walking and looking:

    Straw man? Lol

  • NomadSoul
    NomadSoul

    So if Zimmerman gets convicted of murder. Wouldn't that open the flood gates for other cases of the self defense law in Florida?

  • james_woods
    james_woods

    Many people here are so worked up about "race" and "profiling" that they are forgetting a crucial point of evidence:

    Treyvon attacked Zimmerman.

  • JeffT
    JeffT

    we need to be on the watch for maniacal Norwegians instead.

    And manicial Koreans. Funny how the shooting deaths of FIVE people in Oakland has received about 1% of the media coverage of Treyvon's death. I guess the Oakland event doesn't fit the media's agenda.

    Many people here are so worked up about "race" and "profiling" that they are forgetting a crucial point of evidence:

    Treyvon attacked Zimmerman.

    More of them are forgeeting an even more important piece of evidence: No one here actually knows what happened that night.

    I'm not forming a judgement until the trial, and even then I may limit myself to "well a court of law decided..."

  • moshe
    moshe
    I guess the Oakland event doesn't fit the media's agenda.

    We aren't suppost to make that kind of logical connection- we are supposed to let the media provide the newsworthy stories and then guide us to the correct assumptions..

  • Refriedtruth
    Refriedtruth

    This neighborhood watch security protocol was all worked out 15 years ago with advance of technology for the most effective and safest and I HAVE HAD TO DO IT.

    Be a Video-vigilante I had a Sharp viewcam that can be hands free you wear around your neck.I also had a backup audio tape recorder NOBODY DARED MESS WITH ME it was bliss

    Guns are for defending your own private property,it used to be a statistic that half of all cops were killed with their own gun.

    I am not judging Zimmerman only what is workable practical,just my thoughts.

  • Justitia Themis
    Justitia Themis

    Florida's Murder 2: The unlawful killing of a human being, when perpetrated by any act imminently dangerous to another and evincing a depraved mind regardless of human life, although without any premeditated design to effect the death of any particular individual, is murder in the second degree

    http://www.myfloridahouse.gov/FileStores/Web/Statutes/FS09/Ch0782/Section_0782.04.HTM

    Instead, committing an imminently dangerous act with a depraved mind means committing an act an ordinary person would know is reasonably likely to lead to death or serious injury, doing so with ill will or evil intent (but not intent to kill), and doing so in a way that demonstrates a complete indifference to human life. This is known in other parts of the country as depraved indifference homicide or depraved heart murder.

    http://www.aedmiston.com/tampa-bay-criminal-defense-lawyer/homicide/second-degree-murder.html

    Yes, Woods, I think there is evidence for a murder 2 conviction, and you are wrong that the "critical" point is that Trayvon attacked Zimmerman.

    Prosecutors charge the highest crime upon which they think they can convict. She has the option adding the lesser crimes as an alternative any time before trial. If she goes for a "depraved heart" claim, she will need to prove that Zimmerman engaged in conduct that showed extreme disregard for human life, but she does not need to prove premeditation. The prosecutor will need to prove a mens rea (mental element) of "recklessness." The jury will weigh whether Zimmerman was "reckless" in his decision to follow Trayvon, despite being told not to...whether he was reckless in refusing to even verbally identify himself to Trayvon.

    If the jury says yes, it does not matter whether Trayvon attacked Zimmerman or not because Zimmerman would have been deemed as creating the situation..."but for" Zimmerman showing reckless disregard, no one would have died. If he creates the situation, he cannot then legally claim self-defense.

    This is one example where the media worked as a 'watchdog' because this crime definitely should have been charged, though I certainly do not condone how they manipulated the audio tape, etc. The audio manipulation bothers me much more than any claim that they tried to hide that Zimmerman is Mexican. That is important to white people because they lump blacks and Mexicans into the same category: minority (non-white). Mexicans and blacks, however, have long had deep-seated racial animosity towards each other, as us Californian natives understand.

    More of them are forgeeting an even more important piece of evidence: No one here actually knows what happened that night.

    It is a rare trial indeed where anyone "actually knows" what happened. That's why we do not have a legal standard of proving something beyond ALL doubt. The jury is supposed to make reasonable inferences; that's their job. And 'circumstantial' evidence is very good evidence. An inference, based upon circumstantial evidence, combined with another inference, based on circumstantial evidence, combined with another inference, based on circumstantial evidence, etc.=beyond a REASONABLE doubt.

  • Glander
    Glander

    Zimmerman will be aquitted. This will spark race riots, ala, Rodney King. This will be the perfect distraction from Obama's big messy diaper of an administration. It is a gift to the left. The timing is perfect.

  • moshe
    moshe

    A lot depends on when the handgun was pulled out- if Zimmerman was jumped and then Treyvon grabs for the holstered gun and tries to gain control of it- is Zimmerman supposed to let him have it and assume he only wants to steal it and his life is not in danger? If Treyvon had run away there was nothing Zimmerman could have done- even a cop can't shoot a fleeing person who looks suspiscious.

    JT, your argument is a very long stretch for a juror to accept- def,- Depraved= morally corrupt, perverted- , Zimmerman doesn't seem to have been living a depraved and morally corrupt lifestyle when viewed in light of his timeline. He seems to be a responsible citizen trying to make sure his neighborhood was a safe place to live- since the police can't be everywhere all the time.

    I read a story one time about a tourist in India who hit a cow with his rental car and killed it- it didn't matter that the cow was illegally crossing the road and the car had the right of way. You see, the cow would have never been killed, if that tourist had not come to India in the first place, so he was automatically guilty of killing a scared animal. If Zimmerman had just not been on his neighborhood watch, then Treyvon wouldn't have been killed, either. Many times bad things happen just because we didn't stay home that day. I was in a bar once in Indiana when a fight broke out, the cops were called. There was damage and people were hurt. Four people were involved- the cops asked them where they were from- first two- were Indiana locals, second pair, "we're from Kentucky". Guess who the cops quickly put the handcuffs on and took to jail? The guys from Kentucky, of course.

    Outsiders, not of our kind, are automatically guilty in the subconscious mind.

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