Christian Apologists - Please Watch This and Tell Us Why it is wrong?

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  NewChapter

  NO I do not. Once again, your clumping JW mentality with all believers

  You keep saying that. Do you think my only experience as a believer is with JW's? I am NOT assuming JW mentality, I am addressing all believers. My experience is much broader than JW's.

  I pray to understand, not for answers. If I did, I would pray to reveal lottery numbers to me.

  Praying for understanding IS praying for answers. Do you get them? You'll notice that I put as possible answers to be to find a dollar, come up with a thought, or a phone call. If what you ask for is understanding, then the answer would be understanding. If you are getting your answers in some other way, please share how you come by them.

  Obviously atheists feel they have some knowledge/insight us believers don't have.

  Actually, I think this is reversed. Atheists simply say there is no evidence for a god. No special insight or knowledge. It is the believers that make claims that we don't have spirit, or don't understand, or don't have faith.

  NewChapter, I have never seen you, talked to you, heard about you (the real you, not your screen name) and I'm not sure how you have directly impacted my life as of yet. So according to scientific theory, you don't exist. Is that reasonable? Maybe your a unicorn, or a martian

  This could very well be. But there is an entire list of peeps on this site that have met me in person---and seen me with their eyes, even touched me. Or we could skype. I could send you my phone number. If you are close, we could meet in person. I wouldn't want you to accept my existence on blind faith, and I have a multitude of ways to prove I exist. But I could still be a unicorn or a martian---but I'll be incognito.
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  still thinking

  Actually, I think this is reversed. Atheists simply say there is no evidence for a god. No special insight or knowledge.

  It is the believers that make claims that we don't have spirit, or don't understand, or don't have faith. New Chapter
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  tec

  Well, if you are an atheist... then you are the one saying you do not have the Holy Spirit, are you not? Because you do not believe that He is real?

  If you are an atheist... then you by definition do not have faith (in God).

  Are those claims or just... facts? I don't know. You tell me. (I do think saying that you don't have understanding is a claim, though, over a fact.)

  Now, atheists make claims about things believers are lacking... such as critical thinking, logic, intelligence and reason (at least in the matter of a creator, though some make the statement in general).

  Is that claim or fact?

  Peace,

  tammy
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  Silent_Scream

  You keep saying that. Do you think my only experience as a believer is with JW's? I am NOT assuming JW mentality, I am addressing all believers. My experience is much broader than JW's. I apologize for the assumption. There's certain things I thought as a witness, that I no longer think. So (my limited knowledge of you) can't see any other basis for the claims.

  Praying for understanding IS praying for answers. Do you get them? You'll notice that I put as possible answers to be to find a dollar, come up with a thought, or a phone call. If what you ask for is understanding, then the answer would be understanding. If you are getting your answers in some other way, please share how you come by them. I research facts. Nothing special. I don't take everything little good/bad thing in my life more than what is simply is. If I find a dollar, I don't say God blessed me, because someone lost this dollar, they may have needed it more than I do. It was simply a result of someone's mistake. Prayer is for me to talk to God, not to be given secrets. I do believe He is the Creator, but I don't know why he would have the world as sick as it is for so long. I'm not agnostic, but this is something that bothers me. So I pray.

  Actually, I think this is reversed. Atheists simply say there is no evidence for a god. No special insight or knowledge. It is the believers that make claims that we don't have spirit, or don't understand, or don't have faith.I don't feel atheists don't have spirit, don't understand, or don't have faith (none of us can prove every single thing we believe in, so we all have faith of some sort, you have faith that educational books are relating with accuracy, that's a measure of faith). The point i'm at, most of you have been there done that. Our beliefs are biased based on our perception, life experiences, emotions, knowledge, environment, desires, etc. We may both see the same person and observe the same actions, but I can think that's the most arrogant person in the world, while you may think thats the most humble person. Why? Because our beliefs are biased based on our perception, life experiences, emotions, knowledge, environment, desires, etc. The same thing with belief in a Creator. There are people with immense knowledge who believe in a Creator, and those who don't. They may both be able to "logically" prove their point, and the logic will hit each listener differently. Some may believe some may not. It's simply a choice.

  This could very well be. But there is an entire list of peeps on this site that have met me in person---and seen me with their eyes, even touched me. Or we could skype. I could send you my phone number. If you are close, we could meet in person. I wouldn't want you to accept my existence on blind faith, and I have a multitude of ways to prove I exist. But I could still be a unicorn or a martian---but I'll be incognito. But the great majority haven't seen or contacted you. So according to our current knowledge, to us, you haven't proven to be real... to a degree. I feel your are real based on evidences of a person responding to my posts plus other factors. It's logical to me creation proves a Creator exists, even if one doesn't believe in any Holy writings. Once again, we will all put facts together and reason differently. Who's right and who's wrong?
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  Silent_Scream

  Science will offer a hypothesis---a question with an answer---and then it will set about to try to prove the answer is wrong. Yet, not one atheist or person in the sciences can explain how life BEGAN. Current understanding of sciences holds something living cannot come from something nonliving, but people will still hold on the idea and hope that in the future it will be known. But as of NOW, there is NO evidence of such a thing being able to occur. If there is no creator, how can we prove the origin of life? How did the first living organism on earth come about? Did it "magically" happen twice (male and female) so that it could reproduce? I have still yet to be given a complete or at least half complete but logical answer. Evidence points to a Creator. But this is an instance where it's ok to have not have an answer. But for a believer, not having an answer, yet believing, is called ignorance.

  Still no answer?
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  still thinking

  so silent scream...you don't have an answer...so god did it? And that is a satisfying answer for you?

  Well if you are happy with that...I have no problem with that....but I don't feel happy about putting things I don't understand down to god did it. There is no evidence for that...I prefer to say...I don't know.
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  Silent_Scream

  so silent scream...you don't have an answer...so god did it? And that is a satisfying answer for you? Not everything, no. But when it comes to Creator/creation, yes. That makes the most sense to me.

  Well if you are happy with that...I have no problem with that....but I don't feel happy about putting things I don't understand down to god did it. Not everything, no. But when it comes to Creator/creation, yes. That makes the most sense to me. There isn't evidence for you, but for me life is the evidence...
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  NewChapter

  God doesn't win merely by default. The I DON'T KNOW, doesn't mean then it must be god. You are just putting a theory in the vacuum, and taking it as fact. We don't know all the answers, but if we get to make up the answers, then I choose to fill the vacuum with a pink unicorn that actually has toes, cuz I feel bad for species that have hooves----because when we look at evolution, we realize that hooved animals actually used to have individual toes, and I grieve their loss. This unicorn is sparkly too---because I get to choose what I fill the void with. Anything goes. It makes sense to me.

  How did the first living organism on earth come about? Did it "magically" happen twice (male and female) so that it could reproduce? I have still yet to be given a complete or at least half complete but logical answer

  Then you have not read enough. Read about this. You may be amazed at how this happened. And it wasn't with one male and one female. You have a question---research the facts which is what you say you do. You say you get answers to your prayers by researching facts (not sure how that is different than how I get answers, but I think it means you quit a little sooner. I think you reach a certain point, and hand it to god. That may be the difference.) so pray about it, and then research biological anthropology or a similar discipline. The answer is complex, and takes more than one chapter of the bible, so I'll leave it to you to gather the info and really learn the answer.

  If you are an atheist... then you by definition do not have faith (in God).

  In context Tec---this was responding to the idea that Atheists act like some special insight is needed. I think the reverse is true. Atheists merely say there is no evidence for a god. You have not offered any, but revert to the idea that it is through faith and maybe spirit or some sort of communication that we are not privy to, and that is your evidence. As far as critical thinking---that is available to all if you choose to use it. Nothing special or secret. But Atheists are generally told that we can't understand belief in god (even though so many of us really used to believe) unless we are given one of these special powers. You are capable of critical thinking. You even use it quite often. Nothing special about me. No special calling or communication. What I have is available to you.

  NC
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  tec

  God doesn't win merely by default. The I DON'T KNOW, doesn't mean then it must be god

  True. But saying 'I don't know' to an question posed about God... doesn't discount God anymore than scientists saying I don't know discounts science.

  I believe that is the point Silentscream was making.

  In context Tec---this was responding to the idea that Atheists act like some special insight is needed.

  Understood.

  But I think that the information and 'insight' that I have to draw upon is also available to all. I think that some 'give up' the search sooner than others in this instance as well. My evidence for that conclusion is that there is nothing special about me either.

  Peace,

  tammy
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  sabastious

  I like this video better:

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHHz4mB9GKY

  -Sab