If you are reading this title, everything you know needs to be questioned

by King Solomon 54 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • wasblind
    wasblind

    The JWs deliver a well-honed message that is targeted to individuals who's prior experiences and psyche makes them pre-disposed to accept their version of reality;_______King Solomon

    I agree that I am pre-disposed in my up bringin' when it come to my belief in God ,

    thus makin' me more of a target for a bible study no argument there.

    And even though I had heard about their stance on Holiday's and Blood

    I let it slide scince it didn't apply to what I believed

    They falsely advertised a free " bible" study . no strings attached, didn't even have to leave the house

    " I'm calling to offer you a free home bible study course. If I may, I'd like to take just a few minutes to demonstrate how people in some 200 lands discuss the bible at home as family groups."________Reasoning book page 12

    The sister that studied wit me was surgical wit her mess. She offered it at my convenience, and supplied the material

    all in the comfort of my own home. what a gas saver didn't even have to crank up my car

    even brought us some spice cake she made from scratch, good as hell it was,

    Hate to think I sold myself short for a piece of cake

    .

  • King Solomon
    King Solomon

    Cyberjesus said:

    I was born 3 years ago. I lived in a fantasy world for 38 years.

    Wow, I've heard of long gestation periods, but that is something else! Were you using your Mother's womb as if it were the family garage converted into a bedroom? Could you come and go, as you pleased? :)

    And about the nitpicking... Sorry but the OP was just irresistible! But if dont nitpick on you.... It gets boring

    No worries: I've been known to insert into a thread or two when I couldn't resist taking a funny pot-shot. ;)

    But, with your experience living in the Borg, can you think of anything to add to thread to help others to avoid the same fate?

  • King Solomon
    King Solomon

    WasBlind said:

    And even though I had heard about their stance on Holiday's and Blood

    I let it slide scince it didn't apply to what I believed

    Can you elaborate on this? In other words, what did you believe that made holdays and blood policy a non-issue for you (when it would be a 'show-stopper' for others)?

    This one, however, is crystal-clear and needs no clarification:

    They falsely advertised a free " bible" study . no strings attached, didn't even have to leave the house

    The sister that studied wit me was surgical wit her mess. She offered it at my convenience, and supplied the material

    all in the comfort of my own home. what a gas saver didn't even have to crank up my car

    even brought us some spice cake she made from scratch, good as hell it was,

    Hate to think I sold myself short for a piece of cake

    Heh, you sold your soul for a pastry, did you?

    Yup, they exploited your sense of value, a desire for getting freebies, getting something for nothing, with their "no strings attached" sales pitch! That's ANOTHER biggie! People who are prone to that desire are also prone to the JW marketing tactics...

  • soft+gentle
    soft+gentle

    Solomon I meant critique in the sense of a desire and action for change but these can be sabotaged both inside and outside of Jehovahs witnesses but perhaps not to the same level. I prefer to make more liberating assumptions about Jehovahs witnesses.

  • soft+gentle
    soft+gentle

    solomon said

    Next your opinions on how Jehovahs witnesses connect discipline with spanking infants. On the one hand present day thinking amongst most Jehovahs witnesses is that spanking be a last resort and many witnesses have adjusted how they discipline.

    While it's important to discuss any individual points raised, the thread has alot of 'moving parts' and is ambitious enough, as it is, and will quickly grow incredibly unwieldly if we discuss the details here. So perhaps those types of discussions should be raised in their own spin-off threads?

    was the above directed solely at me? if it is then you have no need to worry as I generally don't tend to post much and therefore avoid (I hope) nauseating wordiness

  • wasblind
    wasblind

    Can you elaborate on this? In other words, what did you believe that made holdays and blood policy a non-issue for you (when it would be a 'show-stopper' for others)?_____King Solomon

    Sure, the bible study was presented as a no strings attached study, as if I wasn't required to believe what they believed

    just a harmless study of the bible

    Heh, you sold your soul for a pastry, did you?_____King Solomon

    It most definitely could be takin' that way, That sister went above and beyond the company hook

    Yup, they exploited your sense of value, a desire for getting freebies, getting something for nothing, with their "no strings attached" sales pitch! That's ANOTHER biggie! People who are prone to that desire are also prone to the JW marketing tactics...____King Solomon

    Who would'nt be prone to a sales pitch pomoting a bargain, have you ever been swayed by a sales pitch??? if not your a good one

    .

  • cyberjesus
    cyberjesus

    You are doing it again...

    "So rephrasing that idea, we can probably assume that a healthy dose of skepticism WAS lacking in those who are now reading this thread, for if they HAD exercised a bit of due diligence and caution before joining a cult, they would have researched (TTATT, The Truth About The Truth) and wouldn't be here on JWN, AFTER the fact. :)"

    The whole purpose of questioning is not to assume things.... cuz assumptions are liars... The above assumption is incorrect as well. I was born in. I did not joined a cult willingly, i , like many was forced in it.

    However skepticism is something that many not only the people who read this thread lacks.....

    And skepticism is what makes me challenge your assumptions....isnt it ironic?

    :)

  • King Solomon
    King Solomon

    Cyberjesus said:

    You are doing it again...

    "So rephrasing that idea, we can probably assume that a healthy dose of skepticism WAS lacking in those who are now reading this thread, for if they HAD exercised a bit of due diligence and caution before joining a cult, they would have researched (TTATT, The Truth About The Truth) and wouldn't be here on JWN, AFTER the fact. :)"

    The whole purpose of questioning is not to assume things.... cuz assumptions are liars... The above assumption is incorrect as well. I was born in. I did not joined a cult willingly, i , like many was forced in it.

    I'm not trying to make any assumptions about YOU, individually, or anyone else. Frankly, I don't KNOW anyone here, and don't have any illusions to do so.

    This is only an EXERCISE, an attempt at listing personality traits and assumptions that MAY be shared by those reading here, since the fact is if you ARE reading here there must have been SOME trait or assumption that WAS exploited by cults like the JWs. Otherwise, it's unlikely you'd even BE here, right? The idea is to help others out, or to avoid making mistakes.

    But all of these are POSSIBLE examples, NOT an attempt to nail someone down to being THE definitive problem that led to THEIR joining a cult. Fact is, it's not all about YOU or I, your ego or mine (and someone has already mentioned the "appeal to people's narcissism", over-estimating their own worth to others). Instead, it's about trying to HELP others to engage in self-examination, so THEY can fix a problem they may not even be aware that exists. It's all about identifying traits that MAY be shared.

    And if that's too embarrassing or personal for some, then you don't have to play along. No one can force you to share, or force you to read.

    However skepticism is something that many not only the people who read this thread lacks.....

    And skepticism is what makes me challenge your assumptions....isnt it ironic?

    No irony, unless you are over-reading the intent, and assuming that others' experiences MUST apply to everyone else. Or you feel that identifying these assumptions that are often are made means they MUST apply to you, too.

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    ALTHOUGH, your challenge DOES remind me of a BIG ONE that has not yet been mentioned:

    Most Xians react quite subconsciously to what they perceive as hubris and arrogance in others, since the Bible itself constantly harps on how mere men are unworthy fools, compared to Almighty God, to who all glory should be deflected. The Mightiest Pharoahs, gov't officials, and healers are all humbled before YHWH.

    If they see someone DARE to stand out of the crowd, in their own mind they are thinking, "Who does HE think he IS!?!? How dare HE? Who made HIM ____? What does HE know that makes him so special?"

    If someone was raised in another religion, and accepted the message that men shouldn't even try to do anything to help others, they'll surely have no problems with accepting the same message offered by JWs. It fits right in, and feels comfortable.

    Most health-care providers have dealt with this one, first-hand: a patient comes to you to ask advice on their condition, but some patients hit you with an attitude of, "who do YOU think you are? What makes YOU think you know anything about (my area of expertise)?" (Nevermind the diplomas hanging on the wall, as if they were bought at a swap meet, LOL!)

    Of course, you want to tell them that if they don't value your opinion, then why did they book an appointment with the office, and pay my fees, LOL! Most, of course, are in denial, upset that you didn't tell them the message that they WANTED to hear, and NOT the truth that they need to hear. Most are doctor-shopping, shopping for an opinion they like, and allowing their disrespect for mere unworthy mortals to justify it.

    Some distrust all human expertise enough to fall for the lure of non-experts, i.e. homeopathy, quacks, etc. In fact, my Mother was a JW, and she wasted her life (and alot of $$$) falling for false hopes of cures, seeking Laetrile treatment in Mexico for her cancer. She fell for the "what the FDA doesn't want you to know!" kind of conspracy thinking, and paid for it when she died of uterine cancer in her 40's.

  • King Solomon
    King Solomon

    Wasblind said:

    Who would'nt be prone to a sales pitch pomoting a bargain, have you ever been swayed by a sales pitch??? if not your a good one

    "Who wouldn't be prone"? Hopefully someone who was able to learn from other's hard knocks, and may not be aware that sales pitches MAY be fallacious, requiring evaluation to verify the claims. The World is full of those who don't do that, or Madison Ave wouldn't be in business, selling products that appeal solely to consumers' emotions.

    You're restating the intent of the thread: to identify the traits that the WT exploits, to expose the vulnerabilities that "interested ones" MAY harbor, such that they may change their thinking and not be susceptible to a similar message delivered by others.

    Can you elaborate on this? In other words, what did you believe that made holdays and blood policy a non-issue for you (when it would be a 'show-stopper' for others)?_____King Solomon

    Actually, I was looking for elaboration on the hoilidays/blood policy bit. Why was holdidays/blood policy NOT a show-stopper for you, when it is, for so many others?

  • cyberjesus
    cyberjesus

    You said :

    I'm not trying to make any assumptions about YOU

    Haha, and who is saying you were? (assumption) I pointed a general assumption :-)

    This is a thread about questioning.... therefore i question your statements... or shouldnt I? :-)

    The idea is to help others out, or to avoid making mistakes.

    Exactly, thats why I am skeptical of the stamentes... not the intentions... I dont doubt your intentions... I question your assumptions. And that is for the same reason you stated above.

    No irony, unless you are over-reading the intent, and assuming that others' experiences MUST apply to everyone else

    I am not over reading intent... that was an asumption. I am not assuming others experiences must apply to everyone else.... thats another assumptions.... Thats the irony. The thread is about accepting assumptions without skepticism.... however shouldnt we do that with everything?

    When you tell me what i do... thats an assumption since you dont know what i do... when you question what I do, you challenge what i do... :-)

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