Raymond Franz's Betrayal (page 2)

flower

i wasnt saying he is perfect. no one is. that wasnt the point.

i dont blame him for not wanting to be involved in these kind of forums. there is more arguing and bickering and hatred here among everyone than there is healing. for a jw to come here and see him posting on a board that had the crap going on like was going on here last week would only force them in to a state of disbelief. i know cause similar crap was going on when i first started posting here and i had a very hard time convincing myself that there was still truth here under the bullshit. and every time one of these wars broke out i flopped back and forth thinking this cant be the truth. being df'd and not a strong witness to begin with i was able do deal with it. i would bet that if a diehard witness that just happened by here with the normal amout of unspoken doubts about their religion, they would put the blinders on faster than you could blink and run the other way.

ray is doing the right thing by being seperate from all the anti jw causes and staying true to himself. if he is not angry with the society then who are we to say he should feel differently? you arent in his mind or heart.

personally i'm not angry either most of the time and i dont get involved with the God bashing or JW hating. some people just want their life back so they can move on and let it all be behind them. some need revenge and need to be angry. no one is wrong and no one should be called a betrayer because they dont feel the same as someone else.

leave the man alone and let him live

flower

ballistic

Island Woman, I'm not outspoken around here, but I feel you need to think again about this.

Sam Beli

Hi again IW,

You said: “I love the man, but he has abandoned us! Why doesn't he post here or on "Channel C"? Why doesn't he encourage faith in the Bible here? Why is he silent? He leaves those who still believe in the Bible to the ferocious ravaging of atheistic wolves! WHY!”

Two reasons come quickly to mind:

1 People his age often find it hard to grasp new technology and become skilful with it. One of the most intelligent men I know, probably a little younger than Ray has chosen to not get on the Internet. He too is not in good health, so drastically new technology can be too much for older, somewhat ill persons. The other man I refer to as an example is still busy in research, and the Internet would be invaluable to him if he had the strength to master it. I suspect Ray suffers from some of the same.

2 I suspect that Ray does not want to squander his time with all of the fluff and other waist of time posts, nor the vulgar and obscene posts that sometimes find their way here and elsewhere.

Just my guesses.

IslandWoman

Ray Franz believes the Bible is the word of God. One statement from him on this board would bolster the hearts of many xJWs who have left the Watchtower but still believe in the Bible or in God.

One statement of support. One word of a helping hand.

This he has chosen not to give. Why?

I hope he will soon speak out!

IW

OUTLAW

Hey Amazing,I enjoyed reading your post.From what I can tell ,Ray just wants more control over how his information is dispersed.If it were things I had written,I would want the same control.He`s still making it available to people who want it,you can`t complain about that!...OUTLAW

Amazing

Hi IW: I will ask him, and see if he will do that ... at least make a post through someone. He is getting up in years, and had some serious health problems a while back. So, be patient.

taoInitiate

Dear IW

I don't really know you, of course, so please take my remarks with a grain of salt.

I think needing a "visible human" to lean on is one of the harder things to get over from having been in the Org. It takes a lot to stand on our own. I think many of us are still trying to get over that part of the WT influence.

Ray Franz may not have made comments on this board, but I'm sure that others here who, in your words, "have left the WT but still believe in the Bible or in God", can still encourage and support each other.

I'm sure Ray isn't doing anything to spite anyone, or purposefully abandon anyone that may have been helped by his writings. I don't think he has that sort of "bad blood" left in him, if he ever had it.

Cheers, it's not that bad!
taoInit

"We have within us a vast world of creativity. It is just that the view is often blocked by our preoccupations." - Deng Ming-Dao

lv4fer

You can copy your post below to make sure it is not lost:

I can understand Ray's feelings. This is a great forum, but there is a lot of stuff said here that is so unscriptural and crude. I am sometimes shocked at what people say here quite often, however there are alot of people here that are going through a difficult time in their life and it's a place to help you get through it and realize there are others going through the same thing.

I am grateful that Ray wrote his books in the manner he did, and that he approached things in the classy manner in which he does. If he had written with the tone in which alot of people here do I would have thrown the book away after 1 or 2 chapters. People here need to realize when you get crude and mean you are really doing this forum a diservice because someone who is in the truth who may stumble upon it when they see some of these things it will be a big turn off and they won't continue to read.

JT

IW says:

"many respects his children"

perhaps you consider yourself his child or followers - others of us don't

please speak only for yourself

James

IslandWoman

Amazing,

Hi IW: I will ask him, and see if he will do that

Thanks! Many xJWs are so lost. It's true they should not look to men but to God for help, but still, they are only human and the need for "fathers" is very real.

Thanks again, Amazing.

IW

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