Did Jehovah give Noah a specific command to warn others of the flood?

by hoser 37 Replies latest jw friends

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  Leolaia

  Or was it the group of fallen angels who became djinn after they shed their mortal bodies in order to avoid drowning??

  The actual Jewish and Christian belief distinguished between the fallen angels and the Nephilim. The fallen angels were seized by the archangels, bound, and thrown into an abyss (= Tartarus) to await Judgment Day. The Nephilim, meanwhile, drowned in the Flood and their bodies died while their souls lived on (as they were fathered by immortal angels), becoming the evil spirits. That is why in the gospels they seek new bodies to inhabit. And that is why, when the legion of demons possesses the herd of swine, they then imitate their original drowning by running off the cliff and (ironically) drowning themselves once again.
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  snare&racket

  I just read the account again for the first time in a few years. Just reading the claim that people were living 900 years, that Noah didnt start having children until 500 years on earth... its just so stupid. It doesnt even equate to the thoughts and imagination of a modern child. We have human remains older than this, we have their DNA. They were not all living for 500 + years. It is as hocus pocus as star signs.

  Just think about living on earth for 500 years. What did he do with 7 lifespans? Nothing apparantly. Then he had kids ....

  The Jewish scholars revised the bible, we know this for sure. They had to explain the journey from adam and his perfect body to a human that lives 70 years max back then. (btw this is for evolutionary reasons, mammals have a maximum number of heart beats according to size etc, also there is a linear connection between number of offspring and lifespan of mammals.) So they made all the old heroes live long lives, it made them sound even more special ! The irony is of course we have human remains older than the times these stories took place according to the bible. For example most early humans lived short horrid lives, LESS THAN PEOPLE TODAY, dying of tooth decay and starvation. Teeth are rubbish in humans and dont last. Teeth have a specific width and therefore a specific lifespan. They do not last 500 years, unless Noah had teeth like beer cans to begin with.

  Nothing from the OT aligns well with modern facts and evidence. Even the little details such as teeth, world history, DNA evidence etc. Nevermind the idea of 7 of each species in pairs, clambering into a boat. The bible quite clearly says Noah was told to collect them all with only 7 days notice. Like I said... not even a modern child would come up with this.
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  RubaDub

  I don't think Noah did much witnessing, really.

  transhuman ...

  You have to take the timeframe and circumstances of Noah's preaching into consideration.

  Genesis 6:30-32 indicates that Noah spent most of his time working on the ark but still was able to devote 50 hours per month in the preaching work (today call Auxillary Pioneering). In verse 35, it's interesting to note that in one lunar cycle (month) each year in the spring he only devoted 30 hours in the preaching work yet still maintained his same status.

  Rub a Dub
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  VM44

  [The elder giving the public talk] "He said look at Noah, Jehovah gave him a commission to preach and he did just so"

  So the elders just add what they want to the Bible stories? That is bad.

  How would the elder respond if you asked him "Scripture please?"
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  Black Man

  Here's a couple other things to consider: WHAT IF people had listened to Noah's message? Would there have been room on the ark for them? Noah had all these species of animals on the ark. Would there have been room for the people (many of them who were just eating, drinking, being merry, but taking no note) if they had a change of heart? Doesn't sound like there would have been. And if Noah and his family had already been deemed the ONLY righteous people on the earth, why have them PREACH to the rest of wicked mankind?
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  King Solomon

  One of the interesting aspects of the Flood account is that it starts by mentioning the Nephlim, as if one of the goals of the Flood may be to wipe out all of those half-God/half-human bastards that were born after fallen angels corrupted the shapely daughters of men. But NOPE: God apparently forgot to patch that security vulnerability, as the account itself makes it clear nephilim existed BEFORE and AFTER the Flood. Whoops.... YHWH, better luck, next time!!

  Interesting to consider that the claimed monotheistic shift of Judaism wasn't REALLY montheism, per se, but the pantheon of minor Gods were simply relegated to angel-status.... A rose by any other name.

  An interesting angle few readers consider is that the Antediluvian World, as depicted in the Bible, is actually an anarchist's paradise, wherein God hadn't yet delegated the authority for man to govern other men! Remember, YWHW did that AFTER Noah emerged from the Flood, demanding that men hold each other accountable for spilled blood, whether of animals or man. So the implication of that act suggests that you literally could get away with murder, and no one could say boo, since might made right.

  That possibly explains another motive behind God's rationale for the Flood: "evil in the hearts of men" led to widespread violence, and God could only blame himself, as God forgot to hand down laws for his creations (remember, the 10 commandments were still far off in the future). So rather than instituting code with Noah BEFORE the Flood, God decided just to hit the reset button and wipe out ALL mankind (and animal to boot: WHAT did they do wrong, again?). So the demiurge YHWH decided to "kill them all, and let Elohim sort them out".

  Goofy story, all around....

  PS Leo, "Gopher 3000"? Huh, I thought it was named "HMS Gopherwood". Maybe there's an issue with translation (I am using the KJV)?

  Would there have been room for the people (many of them who were just eating, drinking, being merry, but taking no note) if they had a change of heart?

  I think the answer is provided by pointing out the lack of dinosaurs today. Executive decisions had to be made by Noah, and human life is more worthy than dinos (which God knew were going to betray him in the future, anyway, by pointing to evolution and a much-older Planet than claimed).

  Rubadub said:

  Genesis 6:30-32 indicates that Noah spent most of his time working on the ark but still was able to devote 50 hours per month in the preaching work (today call Auxillary Pioneering).

  I'm just wondering how hunter-gatherers were able to devote time to the most MASSIVE construction project to date, not having to struggle for survival, with leisure time to devote to ship-building? Not to mention, the lumberjack skills, framing, craftsmenship, etc. Noah must've been independently wealthy, indeed!

  Then I remember that all such concerns are instantly dismissed with only three words: "God dun it!"
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  VM44

  Noah's Ark was a Submarine!

  Aliens Helped Build Noah's Ark File: UFO224 ANCIENT TESTS REVEAL THAT NOAH'S ARK WAS BUILT WITH THE HELP OF SPACE ALIENS AND THAT IT WAS ACTUALLY A SUBMARINE ESPECIALLY MADE TO HELP HIM SURVIVE THE GREAT FLOOD, SAY EXPERTS. AUTHOR AND BIBLICAL SCHOLAR ZECHARIA SITCHIN ANALYZED THE ORIGINAL HEBREW VERSION OF THE OLD TESTAMENT AND OTHER ANCIENT WRITINGS. ACCORDING TO THOSE TEXTS, NOAH WAS ADVISED TO CONSTRUCT A BOAT ROOFED OVER AND BELOW AND HERMETICALLY SEALED WITH PITCH, SAID SITCHIN. THERE WERE TO BE NO DECKS, NO OPENINGS, SO THAT THE SUN SHALL NOT SEE INSIDE. THE BOAT WAS TO BE A VESSEL THAT COULD TURN AND TUMBLE. THE ONLY KIND OF BOAT THAT FITS THAT DESCRIPTION, SITCHIN SAID, IS A SUBMARINE. AND WHAT'S MORE, HE ADDED, THE BIBLICAL TERM FOR ARK IN ANCIENT HEBREW STEMS FROM THE WORD SUNKEN. ONLY A SUBMARINE COULD HAVE WITHSTOOD THE 40 DAYS AND NIGHTS OF SUCH A RAGING FLOOD, ADDED SITCHIN. NO ORDINARY SURFACE VESSEL COULD HAVE SURVIVED THE TUMULTUOUS WAVES WITHOUT BEING SUNK. SITCHIN ALSO STUDIED ANCIENT TEXTS FROM SUMER, WHICH IS PART OF IRAQ TODAY. IN A PASSAGE FROM ONE OF THE TEXTS, HE SAID, NOAH EXPLAINS THAT HE SURVIVED THE FLOOD THANKS TO THE HELP OF SUPERIOR BEINGS FROM ANOTHER PLANET WHO HELPED HIM BUILD THE ARK. LIKE A MODERN SUBMARINE, THE ARK HAD BALLAST TANKS THAT ALLOWED IT TO SUBMERGE AND TO SURFACE, SITCHIN SAID. BEFORE THE DELUGE, IT TOOK IN AN OXYGEN SUPPLY AND LATER IT SURFACED TO GET MORE AIR. BRAD STEIGER, RENOWNED UFO INVESTIGATOR, AGREED THAT NOAH'S ARK WAS INDEED A SUBMARINE AND THAT MAN AT THAT TIME DID NOT HAVE THE EXPERTISE TO BUILD SUCH A BOAT, AND NEEDED SPACE ALIENS TO HELP. ONE MUST HAVE ADVISED NOAH TO CONSTRUCT A WATERBORNE VESSEL TO PREVENT HIS DEATH, SAID STEIGER. BUT NOAH WOULD NOT HAVE KNOWN THE PRINCIPLES OF BUILDING SUCH A CRAFT. BEING A MERE MORTAL, NOAH WOULD NOT HAVE HAD THE ABILITY TO CONSTRUCT A SUBMARINE. HE WOULD HAVE NEEDED EXTRATERRESTRIAL ASSISTANCE TO BUILD HIS CRAFT. AND HAYDEN HEWES, DIRECTOR OF THE INTERNATIONAL UFO BUREAU, AGREED, THERE DOES NOT EXIST A SINGLE IOTA OF DOUBT THAT NOAH'S ARK WAS A SUBMARINE. AND IT WAS BUILT BY NOAH WITH EXTRATERRESTRIAL GUIDANCE. **** THE U.F.O. BBS - http://www.ufobbs.com/ ****
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  King Solomon

  A submarine? Why, that's just SILLY, VM44 (although, granted, it's only SLIGHTLY more silly than the version depicted in the Bible).

  Just remember: "God Dun' It" covers a multitude of incredible claims, but the catch is the outlandish claim has to have made it into the offical version of the Bible to be covered by those three magic words...
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  jam

  You wonder, what was Noah telling his Bible studies.

  The year around 4960 B. C.

  GOD will destroy this world, to survive listen to me and

  do what I say.

  But Noah what about my family, freinds and neighbors.

  Noah, all gone.

  My childrens, grandkids, mother and father.

  Noah, all floating around swollen.

  But why Noah?

  Noah, all evil.

  My 2year old grandson, is evil?

  Noah, yep.

  Noah you told me 30 years ago the flood was coming.

  Noah: we need time to save souls.

  What will we do after the flood, who will clean up all the

  heap of mess.

  Noah: we will thank about all the joy we will have in

  rebuiling the earth.

  But Noah the whole earth. I rather drown.
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  Leolaia

  One of the interesting aspects of the Flood account is that it starts by mentioning the Nephlim, as if one of the goals of the Flood may be to wipe out all of those half-God/half-human bastards that were born after fallen angels corrupted the shapely daughters of men. But NOPE: God apparently forgot to patch that security vulnerability, as the account itself makes it clear nephilim existed BEFORE and AFTER the Flood. Whoops.... YHWH, better luck, next time!!

  Yeah, that paranthetical gloss kind of failed to harmonize the Flood narrative (in which all flesh died) with the other Pentateuchal traditions about the Nephilim.

  PS Leo, "Gopher 3000"? Huh, I thought it was named "HMS Gopherwood". Maybe there's an issue with translation (I am using the KJV)?

  Noah's Ark was a Submarine!

  Nooooo, they stole my idea!!!! I've been talking about the GOPHER 3000 for many years!

  Yo, this wasn't no ordinary ark. This is the GOPHER 3000 we're talking about! Built by the Nephilim giants in the Europa shipyards orbiting Jupiter, designed from Anunanki timelord blueprints, this was a fully submersible and spacious ark. It could fit every single species on the planet because, well you know, it was bigger on the inside! And each room on the ark came equipped with a holodeck to simulate each animal's natural environment (even virtual prey for the predators to kill and feed upon), so easy peasy! Too bad the Nephilim didn't get to hitch a ride, but Noah was ummm a racist; he didn't like their kind but he was more than happy to receive their free labor! The Anunanki installed a methane-oxygen separation system on the GOPHER 3000 and the methane was then routed to the engines for propulsion, and the ark came to rest at Mount Ararat, not due to water level, but because the GOPHER 3000 was equipped with trinary booster thrusters that allowed the ark to achieve aeronautic manuverability. Then, after Noah and his family exited the ark, Enoch piloted the GOPHER 3000 on a 200-year mission to repopulate the earth by flying it to locations all over the earth to deposit the various life forms, which were also tinkered with genetically during the year-long Flood to build up enough genetic variation to mask the fact that life has existed on this planet for only 6,000 years (to fool those dumb athiests in the distant future). So Mr. Sloth....no problemo dude...just leave it to Enoch :) He'll getcha home.