by RayPublisher 64 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
These videos have been the highlight of my week. I was late from work 2 days in a row. I couldn't pull myself away. then I watched them again with my hubby. It's funny how little these supposed spiritual giants really know. They just sat like lumps. You gave them so much to think about--I think you planted some seeds brother. Your sound reasoning may have created a crisis of conscience for one of them.
Great Job --much appreciated.
I watched this entire video...spellbound. Many others have stated what I was also thinking but I have one other thing to add regarding your questions about who was the 'slave' in the 1400s, the 1700s, etc. Most think of these 'elders' as professionals and as such they should have advanced knowledge on ALL subjects relating to the 'organization,' the founders, the history. It appears to me that if they couldn't answer your questions and would have to go 'look it up,' then they are not professionally qualified to 'decide' any persons' future. And yet they decide fates and destroy entire families. 
Also, I would love to know the stats on how many are called into one of these judicial meetings and the outcome is NOT already decided. How many leave with a pat on the back from the elders and an "Oops, our bad?? Sorry for the inconveniece. Go on home and forget this ever happened!"
@Resistance is Futile - Yes very much so they are policy enforcers- remember, they made a vow to uphold the Organization!
@Flipper - They were talking about and trying to respond to many things theyhad never heard of...they were at an obvious disadvantage.
@Outlaw - 8 popes..so true!
@Carla - Send him on over I'll knock some sense into that JW head of his!
@wannaexit - Well get ready to be late again lol...I'm just about to put the next part up!
@Tatiana - That is a myth that is cultivated among the faithful and a great point that you make. They DO NOT have special knowledge, they do not have more Biblical insight. Much of their skillset lies in being good organizers, speakers, and paper pushers. Some Elders are good at shepherding but those are few and far between in some congregations.
What a bunch of dumb fucks!
You were so articulate and clear and they were playing with their puds trying to keep up with you. They could not, of course, so they constantly created a moving target.
They never answered a SINGLE one of your questions as I gathered. It was all about loyalty and nothing about spirituality or (shudder) right or wrong or truth.
Farkel
One thing I noticed that was said by an elder that I neglected to comment on before was that he knew of people who'd become 'apostates' and he said "they're all miserable". Really? All of them? How do you know? Do you keep in touch with all of them?
I was thinking, this is a lot like the abusive husband who hits his wife and says, "That's for trying to leave me! If you leave, you're going to be miserable!" So of course, it's better to stay and be abused further, right?
Either way, I don't know of many who would not find themselves just a little miserable if they spent decades of time, energy, money, maybe even risked their lives and then found out it was all for nothing. Tends to frak with your emotions a little. And even if you did continue to believe their teachings, would you really, truly be happy? I can't recall very many times of happiness in my 20+ years as a born-in. One thing I noticed in reading my journals from the past was that I rarely ever spoke about my religious beliefs or religious life. I was always writing about things that made me happy, things I was interested in. But most of the time, it wasn't about being a JW. Unless it was about the stress, the pressure, the gossip, the feelings of inadequacy and of trying to convince myself of something.
Hey, it's no picnic, but mostly that's because the abuse doesn't end if you're still stuck in the same orbit with JWs. I'd be far less miserable if I never had to see them again in life.
As always, this is a typical example of their m.o., as someone here wisely put it: create a problem, then present themselves as the solution.
--sd-7
As always, this is a typical example of their m.o., as someone here wisely put it: create a problem, then present themselves as the solution. --sd-7
And the solution is always the same.
1> Confess your sins to the "loving overseers"
2> More meetings, more field service and more personal study in the WTBT$$$ "Holy Books." - aka Bound Volumes et al
(I appreciate this request from Ray on Apostasy Trial part 5 thread)
RayPublisher comments: ‘ But on a serious note, for all interested parties:
DON’T TALK BAD ABOUT COSMO!’
I for one will respect your wishes.
Bear in mind many of us have overseers in our congregations who are a spitting image of one if not all three of these elders. Listening to these three and their comments defending TTATT honestly opens up past wounds. I’ve witnessed my share of tears of many R & F who have been dealt with unfairly over the years.
This taping of your JC offers some healing and relief!
My apologies to you Ray!
They never answered a SINGLE one of your questions
I noticed this too Farkel. This was one of my issues with this group as a teen and young adult. They don't have answers. They also accused Ray of dancing around the question yet they do the exact same thing.
I'm so glad you brought up the flip flops. I had an immediate flip flop with my parents. In my early 20s, I point blank asked them one day...
"Is God directing the Watchtower?"
At the exact same time my Father answers "No." and my Mother answers "Yes". The holy crap look that passed between them was priceless.
Ray/Eric, you did an awesome job. This is out on the Internet now. The elders do not look good at all.
Thank you Ray for giving me an Honerable mention. >Grace Gough & 1914
Thank you Thank you Thank you 3 times for emphesis as they ordered us. LOL
Wow! Deja Vous! My Inquisition and tribunal was identical in all important aspects to yours Ray. You were ten times the man I was or am. I thank you for how you performed and posting this to YouTube. It is a perfectly accurate and representative testament to the true nature of the organization. No wonder the org works so hard to avoid having witnesses or recordings of these proceedings. I was an intolerable weak publisher who discussed doubts and asked for reasonable answers. Goodness was irrelevent, under the guise of trying to help me, they dug furiously for a confession or admission I did not recognise the authority of the WT organization and processes. My trial was held in secret at night. Witnesses of alleged crimes were not present. Witnesses to the proceedings were kept out. Recording of the proceedings was forbidden. The outcome was in the fix from the start.
I concur wholeheartedly and entirely with SD-7 in all of his comments and observations in this thread. Jeandeau
