Jesus wife fragment is a fake (page 21)

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So, are you saying you want me to email you a picture of my wang? How about I post it in thread, for EVERYONE to enjoy....brb.

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Make sure you also get the face of your avatar in there so we know it's really you.

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Yeah, there is. Probably the same reason miracles ceased to exists when science was invented, the same reason ghosts never appear on camera and the same reason psychics can never perform under controlled conditions. Jesus works with the exact same success rate as psychics, aliens and witches, 0%.

You will understand how I cannot agree with you on that.

The question was .... why do we, who are asking with all sincerity, have to ask over and over when there are so many examples of God and Jesus intruding into peoples lives without their asking. You answer was about Paul's hardships AFTER Jesus spoke to him. Not what I was asking.

I spoke as to Paul because you used him as an example. (I do not know of so many others)

But as to why you have to ask, you're going to have to look inward for the answer to that. Me, I asked for the wrong reasons (as a test; to be proven right); I did not have faith to hear Him (didn't even know what that was supposed to be, and then I set myself up with expectations); I was not willing to hear truth. Through it all I followed and loved Him, and I would have continued to do so. He DID answer me. Not as i thought... i was waiting for something that someone else described. I needed to learn to listen to him as he spoke to me... not just to listen, but to put faith in what i heard him say... even though I had to step out on a limb to do so. I had to trust him to be there to catch me. Of course He was... but it is not easy to trust like that. Gets easier. But it is like working an unused muscle.

I wasn't good; or special; or anything like that. I just... believed him.

Moses did not believe in Christ, yet he had the burning bush talk to him. I fail to see how Moses and Paul should get more special treatment than those begging Christ for help, to see, to hear him, than those that either didn't care or were actively wanting to hurt his people.

Well, you don't know what was in Moses or Paul... or anyone else for that matter. You can only know what is in you.

So you WANTED the thing you feared and didn't understand?

No, I did not.

I wanted Christ and God. I did not know about this 'holy spirit' thing. I just wanted to follow Christ.

You SPECIFICALLY said you feared having his spirit and didn't understand it and LATER said you that were NOT saying you didn't want it.

Look, I don't know how this got messed up to the point that i don't even know what you are saying I said.

I thought there were three things : God, Christ, and the Holy Spirit. I understood and loved Christ and God. This third thing made no sense to me. WTS says it is an active force - makes no sense; mainstream christianity says it is a third person... I did not have a clue. (I did not realize that this third thing... was Christ all along... in spirit, rather than in the flesh) So i concentrated on following and knowing Christ, and through Him God. Later I got up the courage to ask about God sending me his spirit (even though I still did not understand; I just trusted him, and Christ said it was a good thing to ask for, so i did)... and later than that, i asked for ears to hear, eyes to see.

Growth. In faith, and love. It was not all at once for me.

Of course not. Except that Revalation (which you just said John received because he belonged to Christ) clearly says Christ, angels and God are going to be responsible for all this killing. So yeah, Jesus is apparently going to be killing a shitload of people. Unless John wasn't with Christ.

Revelation is filled with symbolism... and the truth is not going to conflict with anything else Christ taught or did. So you need to look with those eyes.

Perhaps you could refrain from leaping to the assumption that the reason people don't hear back from Jesus is because something is wrong with them.

You (or someone earlier in this thread) asked why... I said I could not answer. I said they would have to ask him. But I offered reasons; most from my own experience. Some from his words in the gospels.

And Tammy, after all the times we have talked, do you not realize I always give you the benefit of the doubt? Sometimes, though, the doublespeak, the pretzel twisting of logic, the inconsistency that's required to maked Jesus and God and belief internally consistent is so deep, you can drown in it just trying to cross the street.

It is hard to realize that when you are stating something opposite. But okay. I will try to keep that in mind.

Do you think you could consider that sometimes you just might not understand? I can accept that I might not explain something well.

I am not blaming you. I really am not. I mean, we trade emails and play werewolf together (which reminds me, I am going to ask you to mod my infection game when I can get a solid week together without traveling to play) and I will ALWAYS defend your right to believe. It's the positions you take up that force you down these roads that I call into question. Not you.

Blaming me for what?

(I will mod that game, btw... though would you not want to mod it yourself? Either way, looking forward to it)

But nothing forces me or you down any road. We each choose.

And i'm too tired to go into it any further tonight.

But you know what? I am going to open my heart and pray again tomorrow. We'll see what happens.

Good then.

Peace to you,

tammy (who is well off to bed)

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You will understand how I cannot agree with you on that.

Of course. You, of course, give credence to other gods and belief in aliens, I presume?

But as to why you have to ask, you're going to have to look inward for the answer to that.

And this is why asking Christians for things is like nailing jello to a wall. They tell you how things work until you point out an example of when it doesn't, and then suddenly you have to start realizing the person asking the question is the problem and then accept things as answers that aren't hearing Jesus even though you are supposed to hear him.

Well, you don't know what was in Moses or Paul... or anyone else for that matter. You can only know what is in you.

Not really germaine to my question. The formula to go to Christ is extremely inconsistent.

Revelation is filled with symbolism... and the truth is not going to conflict with anything else Christ taught or did.

Christ came not to bring peace, but a sword. I don't like his violent fantasiies any more than you. I just don't don't pretend that's not what he meant when it's what he said.

Do you think you could consider that sometimes you just might not understand? I can accept that I might not explain something well.

No. You are not the first, only and I am sure you will not be the last person. It's not how you are explaining it. You may as well be trying to show me how to put together a jigsawe puzzle that has pieces from 10 different sets.

(I will mod that game, btw... though would you not want to mod it yourself? Either way, looking forward to it)

I barely have time to play. I don't think it would be fair to the players to have a mod that has a crazy schedule like mine.

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