Jesus wife fragment is a fake

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EntirelyPossible

I never tried to sell that line.
This is the line you shouldn't try to sell. You have said over and over that ALL one has to do is look to Christ. Turns out....that ain't so true. Turns out, all you had to do was marry the right Jewish virgin, be collecting taxes in the right place, be sick in the right place, be someone Jesus wanted.
Otherwise, you're farked unless you DECIDE to beleive and beg and beg and then, MAYBE he will give you the time of day.
Let's be honest, you sold that line more often than the pope sold communion.
Are you saying that you want what Paul had, because I'm pretty sure that would include ALL of the hardship, beatings, imprisonment, mockery, etc, that Paul underwent as well.
Are you saying that Jesus chooses who he wants and that some get nothing no matter how much they ask, no matter what their heart condition?
I mean, nice attempt to reframe my question, but let's go ahead and play turnabout and reframe YOUR question.
Oh well, no matter. I am going to pray again tonight. Let's see what happens!
Not moving the goalposts. You seem to think that I am saying his suffering AFTER made him worthy BEFORE. I am not.
Please don't attempt to tell me what I am thinking. Just like Sab and every other Christian before you, you'll get it wrong.
You did move the goalposts. The discussion was NOT about Paul AFTER Jesus intruded so rudely upon his life, but about how to get Jesus into your life by asking. You suddenly changed the discussion to after. You tried to move the goalposts and change the point of the discussion.
Did. Not. Work.
Followed Christ. Wary of this Holy Spirit business and wasn't ready to ask for that... whatever that was. DID ask for God to send His Son (not realizing that this is the same as asking for Holy Spirit)
Yeah. Doesn't make sense. You follow a guy who makes his whole business this spirit stuff and don't like the spirit stuff. Not making sense. Regardless of what you realized, the WHOLE point of Jesus is the spirit. Sounds like when Jesus talked to you, you understood less about him than NC or I. Which, BTW, raises the question, why would he bother with you when he has two perfectly intelligent, understanding people asking for his help right in front of him.
But he followed him before even those, did he not?
The Bible doesn't really say much about Thomas before the miracles. Either way, he had the man in front of him. I still ain't got shit on front of me, despite asking.
NC ain't got shit in front of her, despite asking.
Jesus...he seems somewhat inconsistently picky and arbitrary. Somewhat...partial. Exactly the opposite of what the Bible said he would be.
tec

You have said over and over that ALL one has to do is look to Christ
To see God. To know the Truth. Yes.
Let's be honest, you sold that line more often than the pope sold communion.
The following is the line you said I was selling:
You can't sell the line that Paul was knocking at the door and asking.
I never tried to sell that line.
Are you saying that Jesus chooses who he wants and that some get nothing no matter how much they ask, no matter what their heart condition?
No.
I mean, nice attempt to reframe my question, but let's go ahead and play turnabout and reframe YOUR question.
Um, well, it was pretty easy for me to just say... no.
Oh well, no matter. I am going to pray again tonight. Let's see what happens!
You do that then.
Please don't attempt to tell me what I am thinking. Just like Sab and every other Christian before you, you'll get it wrong.
You SEEM to be thinking... is not... you ARE thinking. If I am wrong in what you are thinking that I am saying, then you simply have to say so, and perhaps clarify.
You did move the goalposts. The discussion was NOT about Paul AFTER Jesus intruded so rudely upon his life, but about how to get Jesus into your life by asking. You suddenly changed the discussion to after. You tried to move the goalposts and change the point of the discussion.
No. Paul is the only person I know of who had revelation thrust upon him. So the situation is different. Not a 'reward' for actions or even faith. Paul would appear to be an exception. I described the suffering that he went through, because that might have been the point of the exception. (might be; I do not know) So I asked you if you want the revelation that he recieved in that manner, are you also willing to take on the suffering that came with the work Paul then did for the church and people and Lord he once prosecuted, even killed?
Yeah. Doesn't make sense. You follow a guy who makes his whole business this spirit stuff and don't like the spirit stuff.
Didn't understand. Not didn't like.
Can't ask for (or like or dislike) something I don't understand. (can fear it though, what is not understood) Just like I wouldn't join a religion unless I understood all the rules and fine print. I'm wary that way.
I can follow him and his teachings without having understood all of the deeper spiritual things though. He had and has a lot of disciples who follow his teachings on how to treat one another, feeding the poor, forgiving, showing mercy, loving ones enemies as well as ones neighbor, turning the other cheek, etc, etc.
Don't know what is so hard to understand about that.
Not making sense. Regardless of what you realized, the WHOLE point of Jesus is the spirit.
Well... I understood love, forgiveness, mercy. I did not understand about the spiritual things. He is teaching me about these, but before Him, I had no one teaching me about these.
But understanding the spiritual things means... what... without love?
Doesn't seem to me like it would mean much of anything at all.
Sounds like when Jesus talked to you, you understood less about him than NC or I.
I can't help what something sounds like to you, and I've never really been all that interested in comparing myself to other people. I keep an eye on me, do the best I can to do what I'm supposed to so. Doesn't have anything to do with what someone else might be doing or not.
Which, BTW, raises the question, why would he bother with you when he has two perfectly intelligent, understanding people asking for his help right in front of him.
Good question. Why don't you ask him?
I love Him, and I want to serve him. But other than that, nothing special about me.
Peace,
tammy
still thinking

For me, he speaks in a quiet and calm inner voice.
I call that my subconscious and thought process...but hey, if you want to call it Jesus so you can be in the KNOW...be my guest. Just don't expect anyone to buy it.
If this Jesus was so real...he makes himself difficult to hear. You've practically gotta jump through hoops. Picky picky picky.
Reading ALL the excuses why you wouldn't be able to hear is quite amusing I've gotta say EP. It's amazing to watch the flip flop that happens when someone says they want to, but don't. And yet, it's supposed to be soooooo easy, and available to all.
Lets see, not enough faith, not listening, not seeing, not asking enough, not begging enough, not murdering enough christians, not asking the right questions or using the right words maybe? Not wearing the right underwear?
tec

If this Jesus was so real...he makes himself difficult to hear.
Quiet voice means you have to listen. Really listen. You can't just skip through... get dazzled by all the noise... miss the point or the lesson or the teaching. You have to quiet yourself, and actually pay attention, and listen.
Authority figures (teachers, parents... psychologists) are taught to speak in quiet tones also... often to bring down a person who is angry or upset. Because you have to calm down, and quiet yourself, and really listen... and it is then that you can actually THINK and HEAR what is being said to you.
Peace,
tammy
(and what you 'buy' or not is entirely your business)
NewChapter

It is a long and baffling list of excuses. We are all lost, but if we don't find the exact right combination, then nothing else matters. He doesn't even offer a secret decoder ring. I am just absolutely amused at watching the gymnastics of it all! I used to do this! I really did. UGH, it was exhausting. WOW. It would seem if you seek knowledge, you have to already pretty much have that knowledge to even start the search---unless you are just lucky and figure out the secret code in a random manner.
Not using the right words is intriguing----so many of these discussions involve a lot of word play, clarification of words, the insistance that subtle differences of definition is really relevant to the thought expressed. It's so nuanced, it's a wonder anyone stumbled on just the right language. Those must be very special people indeed!
NewChapter

Yes, Tammy, and none of us have EVER looked for that quiet spot within to ask our questions and find our answers. Thanks so much for the information.
still thinking

How patronising...as if when I believed I wasn't completely opening up my heart to this God concept, I really believed it.
Guess I was REALLY skipping through, not listening, getting dazzled, and not paying attention...silly me....what was I thinking that Jesus would accept me for who I was and accept my love because it was genuine.
Oh well. ...just goes to show what delusion will do for you.
EntirelyPossible

I never tried to sell that line.
You try to sell the line that all one has to do is look at Christ and ask. From biblical examples that you espouse and from many many many personal experiences, that is NOT true.
Um, well, it was pretty easy for me to just say... no.
Except you didn't do that. You reframed the question in a very dishonest and misleading way. Thank Honest Jesus I was here to catch that.
No. Paul is the only person I know of who had revelation thrust upon him.
Moses. John. Adam. Eve. Jonah. That's five off the top of my head.
Didn't understand. Not didn't like.
Not at ALL what your previous words seem to indicate....For a long time, I did not want to have God send me His Spirit. That was a bit too much for me for a while.
Seems like you didn't want it and it was too much for you. You liked things you didn't want and that were too much for you?
Well... I understood love, forgiveness, mercy.
Well there is the problem. Until Jesus started talking to you, you only had 1/3 of the story. Sure, there is that part, but there is also killing almost everyone AND the spirit stuff. Until you get down with the killing just about everyone, including the people sincerly asking for Jesus that he chooses not to revelate things to, you're just 2/3 Jesusy at best.
I can't help what something sounds like to you, and I've never really been all that interested in comparing myself to other people
And yet you deign to tell people why, when THEY ask for help from Jesus, they are doing it wrong. Was the chapter on humility missing from the playbook when Jesus talked to .... pretty much EVERY modern Christian on the planet in the last 100 years?
Good question. Why don't you ask him?
Yeah, I keep doing that. NC kept doing that. All we get is a big fat nothing from him you being ultra humble telling us we are doing it wrong despite multiple examples from the Bible indicating we are doing it exactly right while you and other Christians tell us the Bible is wrong unless it supports your point, in which case you quote it to no end to prove you are right until you quote it to prove IT'S wrong when YOU want to be right.
I swear to god, if religion was a TV show (and yes, I know it's a LOT of TV shows), it should be the Looney Toons.
**EDITED** My formatting was wonky. Fixed that, none of the post otherwise.
tec

What excuses? You ask why... I say you have to ask him... but I share some possibilities, some personal experience to try and help you consider something that might be helpful to you if you want... and then you cry 'EXCUSES, EXCUSES'.
If you are not hearing, then you might want to add into your ponderings if you truly want to hear... TRUTH. Because we have a habit of shoving away unpleasant truths, ignoring them and brushing them aside, so that we can remain in what we are comfortable with... about ourselves, or our loved ones, or perhaps even the world. NC, you don't want to hear... your words; so I do not know why you would be surprised that you never heard. You wanted him to reveal himself to you... but how did you expect that to happen? I asked you that a ways back; you never answered.
Peace,
tammy
EntirelyPossible

NC, you don't want to hear... your words
Well there you go, NC. The problem is YOU. Unlike Paul, the Jew who was murdering Christians when Jesus forced himself into Paul's life, you just CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH.
Tammy, though, she didn't even want the spirit, but she got it. I don't know what nightmarish, hellish thing you did, NC, to have Jesus so soundly reject you, but there it is.
Maybe he knew in advance that you and I would meet up and have sexy time. I mean, since Jesus apparently predicted that, we should totally do it now.

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