by Indian Larry 70 Replies latest watchtower bible
This weekend the WTS is presenting a deceptive presentation of their own background. To refute the first few paragraphs, I figure all one has to show is the Bible Student's version of that very same history.
http://biblestudents.net/2010/12/29/pastor-russell-not-the-founder-of-the-jehovahs-witnesses/
CONSISTENTLY
In 1993 that word in a WT article coupled with the release of the Proclaimers book got me really thinking. Either the WTS was ignorant of its past or was being deliberately deceitful. Information about 1874, 1878, and 1881 time dates (see below) were not available in current WTS publications.
*** w93 1/15 p. 5 ‘Caught Away to Meet the Lord’—How? ***
The Watchtower has consistently presented evidence to honesthearted students of Bible prophecy that Jesus’ presence in heavenly Kingdom power began in 1914
1874 OR 1914
1878 OR 1914
1881 OR 1935
*** jv (Proclamers book--1993) chap. 28 p. 632 Testing and Sifting From Within ***
Based on the premise that events of the first century might find parallels in related events later, they also concluded that if Jesus’ baptism and anointing in the autumn of 29 C.E. paralleled the beginning of an invisible presence in 1874, then his riding into Jerusalem as King in the spring of 33 C.E. would point to the spring of 1878 as the time when he would assume his power as heavenly King. They also thought they would be given their heavenly reward at that time. When that did not occur, they concluded that since Jesus’ anointed followers were to share with him in the Kingdom, the resurrection to spirit life of those already sleeping in death began then. It was also reasoned that the end of God’s special favor to natural Israel down to 36 C.E. might point to 1881 as the time when the special opportunity to become part of spiritual Israel would close.
*** ka (Thousand Year Reign book) chap. 11 pp. 187-188 par. 7 “Here Is the Bridegroom!” ***
From that understanding of matters, the “chaste virgin” class began going forth to meet the heavenly Bridegroom in the year 1874, as they believed him to have arrived in that year and to be from then on invisibly present. They felt that they were already living in the invisible presence of the Bridegroom. Due to this fact, when Charles T. Russell began publishing his own religious magazine in July of 1879, he published it under the title “Zion’s Watch Tower and Herald of Christ’s Presence.” He had already become familiar with Wilson’s The Emphatic Diaglott, which translated the Greek word pa·rou·si′a as “presence,” not “coming,” in Matthew 24:3 and elsewhere. The new magazine was heralding Christ’s invisible presence as having begun in 1874. This presence was to continue until the end of the Gentile Times in 1914, when the Gentile nations would be destroyed and the remnant of the “chaste virgin” class would be glorified with their bridegroom in heaven by death and resurrection to life in the spirit.
Please read the book "captives of a concept" if you haven't already. It's the final nail in the coffin of the wtbts.
Hey,
If you look at my thread here
Within just that ONE WT article you can see the deception.
Also however, the brochures about jehovah's witnesses and what do they believe. One is about understanding the bible, and says praying and asking for holy spirit, when we all know it's taught only through the faithful slave. Many articles about examining and checking teachings, that Jehovah's Witnesses are encouraged to do that (this is all on articles meant to be placed in field service) when the reality is anybody who does do that can be viewed as apostate, etc.
But again, that one above link I listed, that one article will reveal a lot. First that the anointed haven't been resurrected yet, that the WT may be practicing spiritism and communication with the dead, that heavy speculation being passed off as truth, and that the teaching of the anointed already being resurrected was an apostate teaching of early christians.
GB, appointed by an alcoholic
http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/child-abuse/235488/1/GB-appointed-by-an-alcoholic
http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/history/e1920/rutherford1.htm
http://www.sixscreensofthewatchtower.com/2secrets.html
The most absurd religion
http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/236559/1/The-most-absurd-religion
What is the truth?
http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/238029/1/What-is-the-truth
C t Russell and jellyfish case
Then he said, "I am like a jellyfish. I float around here and there. I touch this one and that one, and if she responds I take her to me, and if not, I float on to others"; and she wrote that out so that I could remember it for sure when I would speak to him about it. And he confessed that he said those things.
http://www.pastor-russell.com/misc/bde.html
http://www.watchtowerdocuments.com/documents/1913_Some_More_Facts_About_Russell_.pdf
RUSSELL VERSUS RUSSELL
Maria Russell left "Pastor" Russell in 1897 over religious differences. Russell, for example, remained stuck on prophetic date-setting whereas Maria in her book This Gospel of the Kingdom (1906) set no specific dates.
Maria identified Rose Ball as contributing to the marriage breakup. New York's Brooklyn Daily Eagle (October 29, 1911) reported:
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Pittsburgh, October 27 - The suit for a separation brought by Martha (sic) F. Russell against Charles Taze Russell, her husband, popularly known as Pastor Russell, who has just entered a libel suit against The Brooklyn Eagle, is remembered here as one of the most sensational court proceedings in the history of Allegheny County…
The testimony which elicited the most comment concerned the relations of Pastor Russell with Rose Ball, a young woman stenographer employed by Pastor Russell in the Bible House on Arch Street. This testimony was given by Mrs. Russell on direct examination on Thursday, April 26, 1906. It was ruled out by the court on the ground that the incidents to which reference was made were said to have occurred on a date which precedes the dates mentioned in Mrs. Russell's bill of complaint. Pastor Russell recurred to the incidents when he went on the stand several days later, and gave his version of what had happened. Rose Ball was not called to the stand, as she left for Australia shortly before the case came to trial.
The verbatim record of this testimony taken from the official report of the case on file in the office of the Prothonotary of Allegheny County is as follows:
Q. I want you to tell us what your husband did in company with this woman Rose, in your presence and in your home…
A. One evening he spent the evening downstairs and our library and bedroom were next to each other upstairs on the second floor, and I spent the evening downstairs reading, and I went upstairs about 10 o'clock to my room, and I supposed that: he was either in the library or had retired, and when I went up there I found that he was in neither place, and I stepped out in the hall, and I found that he was in his night robe, sitting beside Miss Ball's bed and she was in bed. On other occasions I found him going in there and I found she called him in and said she wasn't well and wanted him in, and I objected to this, and I said that it was highly improper, and I said: "We have people about the house, and what kind of a name will be attached in this house if you do that sort of thing?" and he got angry…
Q. You state that you found him doing this at other times. How often after that?
A. I found him a number of times; I don't remember how often.
Q. In her room?
A. Yes, sir. And I found him in the servant girl's room as well. And I found him locked in the servant girl's room.
Q. Did he make any explanation why he was in the girl's room?
A. No. He did not; he just got angry.
Q. What did you say to him about this conduct and what did he say.
A. I said to him, "We have a great work on our hands," and I said, "In this work you and I have to walk very circumspectly before the world and if you are going to do things like this, what will happen? Suppose you are all right, don't you suppose people will talk about things like this?" and I said, "I am not satisfied with it," and he said he wasn't going to be ruled by me. But I felt distressed about that.
Q. What did Rose do at the Watch Tower.
A. She attended to the correspondence.
Q. Where was her desk with reference to the desk of Mr. Russell of the Watch Tower Society?
A. It wasn't near his; it was in the office.
Q. When would he go to the Watch Tower, in the morning?
A. I don't remember; he generally went down alone.
Q. Who would return with him?
A. She came with him in the evening and they came about 11 o'clock and the young men that were in the office—she was the only girl, and the young men would go home, and he wouldn't allow her to go home with them, and she must wait and always go with him.
(Objected to.)
Q. I want the mere fact, did this girl Rose go home with your husband?
A. Yes, Sir.
Q. What year was that?
A. In the fall of 1894…
A. She said one evening when she came home with him, just as she got inside the hall, it was late in the evening, about 11 o'clock, he put his arms around her and kissed her. This was in the vestibule before they entered the hall, and he called her his little wife, but she said "I am not your wife." and he said "I will call you daughter, and a daughter has nearly all the privileges of a wife."
Q. What other terms were used?
A. Then he said, "I am like a jellyfish. I float around here and there. I touch this one and that one, and if she responds I take her to me, and if not, I float on to others"; and she wrote that out so that I could remember it for sure when I would speak to him about it. And he confessed that he said those things.
Q. And the young men came home ahead of them?
A. Yes, sir.
Q. State to the court and jury…what you stated to your husband that Rose had said and his reply to you…
A. …I said, "Rose has told me that you have been intimate with her, that you have been in the habit of hugging and kissing her and having her sit on your knee and fondling each other, and she tells me you bid her under no account to tell me, but she couldn't keep it any longer. She said if I was distressed about it she felt that she would have to come and make a confession to me, and she has done that.
Q. What did he say?
A. He tried to make light of it at first and I said, "Husband, you can't do that. I know the whole thing. She has told me straight and I know it to be true." Well, he said he was sorry; it was true, but he was sorry. He said he didn't mean any harm. I said, "I don't see how you could do an act like that without meaning harm."
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JW sources portray Rose Ball as 10 to 15 years old when she lived with the Russells:
Miss Ball came to them in 1889, a child of ten... She was an orphan. (A Great Battle in the Ecclesiastical Heavens, 1915, p18)
Mrs. Russell charged an improper intimacy between her husband and "Rose," who became a member of the Russell household in 1888…
"Rose" was quite childish in appearance, wore short dresses, and looked to Mr Russell to be about 13 years old. He did not know her age, but another who knew her guessed that she was then only 10 years old. She may have been older in 1888…
…it was mutually agreed that "Rose" thereafter should be considered and treated as an adopted daughter…and invited to spend her evenings in the large study and reading room with the Russells. This course was followed; and when "Rose" retired, usually at 9 p.m., Mrs. Russell kissed her good-night and told her to "pass the kiss along" to Mr. R. also… (The Watch Tower 1906, July 15)
During the trial in April 1906, Mrs. Russell testified that a certain Miss Ball told her that C. T. Russell had once said: "I am like a jellyfish. I float around here and there. I touch this one and that one, and if she responds I take her to me, and if not I float on to others."
…The girl in question came to the Russells in 1888 as an orphan about ten years old… Mrs. Russell testified that the alleged incident occurred in 1894, when this girl could not have been more than fifteen years old… Though Miss Ball was then living and Mrs. Russell knew where, she made no attempt to procure her as a witness and presented no statement from her. (Yearbook 1975, p69)
Regarding "no attempt to procure her" the fact is Rose was in Australia, sent there by Russell in 1903 when Maria filed for legal separation. Rose was probably glad to be far away as she never publicly mentioned her life as Russell's "daughter" or the fondling and kissing.
In fact since, the Wacthower moved to New York, the motive was to escape the obligation to pay maintenance to his wife and declared insolvent, flee to another state was the solution according to Russell, but his wife got an extradition order
That is the true story of moving to New York State
You -
How come Pastor Russell died in 1916 not knowing Jesus has started ruling in 1914? - Fernando
Her - (canned answer or confusion)
You - They did not start teaching "invisible presence" until 1922.
Her - No, they taught it before that!
You - Ok, please show me. I must have missed it.
Her - I don't have any WT from back then...
You - Hmm, I wonder why.....
Secrets of The
Watchtower Bible and Tract Society
Their Connection to Freemasonry and the New World Order
Better Known as The Jehovah's Witnesses
By Robert Howard
http://thewebfairy.com/hardtruth/dirtywatchtowersecrets.htm
July 15, 2011 Watchtower Pages 11-12 Paragraph 7:
7 Jehovah has given us a precious gift to help us make decisions—our “perceptive powers.” However, these powers need to be trained “through use.” (Heb. 5:14) Following the crowd would not train our perceptive powers ; nor, on the other hand, would a host of rigid rules in matters of conscience. That is why, for example, Jehovah’s people are not given a list of films, books, and Internet sites to avoid. Because this world changes so fast, such a list would be outdated soon after it was made. (1 Cor. 7:31) Worse, it would deprive us of the vital work of weighing Bible principles carefully and prayerfully and then making decisions on the basis of those principles.—Eph. 5:10.
You can have a field day with this paragraph.
One question I chose when I was in was, "There's no list huh? What would happened if I watched a rated R movie, or a movie with demonic activity, etc. Would the elders allow me the freedom of weighing Bible principles carefully and prayerfully and then make decisions on the basis of those principles? What if my conscience allowed me to watch a movie the elders thought was inappropriate? Would I be talked to, then have my privileges threatened if I did not listen? So is that paragraph a lie?" and "Did they not just mention the Twilight series and Harry Potter from the stage? Are those included in a list of other movies that would get us in trouble if we saw?"
You can also go with internet too, even printing out some article they've printed, or books they've condemned, etc.
Old 1914 stuff never worked for me, so I try recent articles....
DECEPTION.
I think it is the "Trinity" brochure and the "Creator" book that have outright misquotes from authorities. I'm sure I read a string on this here or perhaps jwfacts. This is why these have never again been studied. Quotes out of contect, and outright misquotes to support JW thinking.
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