by EndofMysteries 147 Replies latest watchtower scandals
Sab said:
Believing Russell had a secret connection to the Mason's isn't an implausible theory.
However, since both the Watchtower and the Masons are secret societies there will always be facts hidden in time that will thwart even the most persistent conspiracy theorists.
Please Sab, in your ignorance of science you are perpetuating the misuse of the word, "theory". You should call it a 'hypothesis', not a 'theory' (I'll leave it up to you to look up their definitions).
Regarding Sabs claim of both being secret organizations, I don't see any reason for the Masons THEMSELVES to hide that Russell was a Mason. It serves no purpose. Especially since they are willing to release the names of other famous Masons.
The way I look at it is that Russell was never enrolled at the bottom of the Masonic structure and therefore would not have any records of being a Mason. Like I said what the world sees as "Masons" is just a front. The real Masons and their memberlist is secret. If the Watchtower is indeed connected to this secret upper tier of Masonry then it would be a deep secret so that schmucks like us wont be able to blow the lid. We just get to gawk at the mystery and hope one day they don't blow us all to kingdom come, or maybe we do.
-Sab
Please Sab, in your ignorance of science you are perpetuating the misuse of the word, "theory". You should call it a 'hypothesis', not a 'theory' (I'll leave it up to you to look up their definitions).
I'm not worthy!
-Sab
Now answer this: Why would Russell condemn the organization of Masonism if he himself was a mason? It just doesn't add up.
Because, in theory, he's a secret Mason which we know little to nothing about. Condemning the Masons would serve as the perfect front. "Theocratic Warfare." Mason first, Watchtower leader second.
-Sab
The stone monument shaped like a pyramid which is situated beside Russell's grave stone, was built by the WTS. under Rutherford's approval.
There is much likelihood that some of Russell's followers were indeed Freemasons as IBSA members and the remaining IBSA were still
connected to the Freemasons after Rutherford's reformation into the JWS.
You can still see familiarities with the JWS as it exists today, the anti Christendom rhetoric, the JW places of worship called Halls rather than churches,
as the Masonic Halls are identified. The JWs today have similarities with the Freemasons because of Russell's close association with that organization
but the two are exclusive from one and another. Something that most JWS today are not even aware of.
If both Russell and Rutherford were registered Freemasons there would be documentation to that fact, held in place by the Freemasons themselves,
investigations upon this assertion have come up negative. The only evidence available is that both Russell and Rutherford used Freemason halls
at times to give talks and lectures, particularly in the time of the WTS. being the IBSA.
Have you seen this thread EoM?
http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/scandals/236629/1/Watchtower-and-Freemasonry
And let's just say you find INCONTROVERTIBLE EVIDENCE of them BEING MEMBERS of FM, vs only being influenced by them? What changes?
NADA. The Freemasons are just as full of crap, a made-up ideology/religion, as are JWs, as are ALL religions; they ALL are full of it, and you don't need any more evidence to reject them, as it stands.
So I don't get the motivation: why are some trying to grasp at circumstantial evidence to prove this? How does it change anything in YOUR life? You're arguing over whether angels belonged to a super-secret click, when angels don't even exist! Is this (yet) another example of the narcissism of small differences?
After all the proofs, there are still some like Sab that will say that Russell was a Mason but it was all just secret. But let's round up the facts, some common sense, and see:
1. Russell advised his followers NOT to become Masons because they did not follow the Bible and distracted from worship to God because of their rites and ceremonies.
2. Russell made the direct statement "I am not a freemason"
3. The Masons apparently have no record of C.T Russel
4. Which makes more sense, that Russell was a freemason but condemned it, claimed not to be one, and told everyone to flee from these organizations?
5. All the "proofs" of Russell being a Mason are easily debunked (i.e. the cemetary was NOT a masonic cemetary when Russell was born there, the symbols that mason's and the Watchtower used are not unique to only those organizations)
I just think it's a HUUUUGGGGEEEE longshot that Russell was a Mason, but to keep it a secret, he condemned it and somehow got the Mason's to keep it a secret for 100 years. Like all good conspiracy theories, it has a lot of evidences and intrigue. But also like all good conspiracy theories, it falls apart on close examination. And ALSO like good conspiracy theories, it hold on for a long time with people not willing to see that it's not true.
Look at some other conspiricy theories. Man did NOT go to the moon in 1969. JFK was killed by the CIA. 911 was an inside job. The Aids virus was created in a government lab. HAARP was created to alter weather, create earthquakes, control minds, etc... AND C.T Russell was a secret Mason and has been able to keep it hidden for 100 years.
The Freemasons are just as full of crap
Many would call you fool for believing this, including me. You arrogantly assume you have enough information to make such a conclusion. You think science can provide answers when studying something that lies to you? LOL! For starters to use science to tell this particular tale you'd need the right instruments which haven't been invented yet. Which is why you appear to be taking wild shots in the dark.
-Sab
Whether they really were or weren't, pales in comparison to the real evidence proving they were never appointed by God or Jesus that will be unleashed soon. But still too many coincidences, I think Russells father was a mason? No matter what he was very familiar with their language and symbols. The symbols on the magazine and on the pyramid stone....I highly doubt came from their imagination and just happened to be identical to the mason and knights templar symbols. And even if they are completely exclusive and not remotely related, what are the chances such a big, elaborate, 3 mason temples, etc would be built so close to that pyramid today? What are the chances? Or did masons find that pyramid and say, 'hey lets buy all this land and build a temple here". lol
