by EndofMysteries 239 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
The Mayan Calandar thing is no big deal. True it ends on 21 December 2012. But according to the History Channel, there is a small inscription at the end which roughly translates to "Continued on Next Page".
So if you turn the Calandar over and look at the back side, it picks right up again with 22 December 2012.
Rub a Dub
I completely agree with your thread title, but not because of anything to do with this:
I'll just post what it's related to, and it's 2 Thess 2:1-12. It also matches the disgusting thing causing desolation, etc.
Paul himself believed that the events he was writing about would happen in his own time, the first century.
The "disgusting thing" of Matthew chapter 24 can also be located nowhere outside of the first century Roman invasion of Jerusalem. The entire prophecy of Daniel applied to the Jews and the Jewish system alone. The only reason Christians apply it to themselves is because the Catholic Church needed to find a way to adopt the arsehole God of the OT and make themselves the new Chosen Ones.
God doesn't choose anyone over anyone else. God desires ALL to be saved, and God gets what he desires, every time, guaranteed. God is the the Alpha and the Omega, and everything comes from God. So as hard as it is to accept, EVERYONE eventually becomes God, even "Satan", who is nothing more than a construct of the human mind, as is Biblegod.
That's the problem with trying to interpret the Bible.... if you take it literally you end up down a dead end every time. Since it was written, believers thoughout history have always thought it applied to them and their time. Everybody thinks their time is special.
On the other hand, apply it to yourself and it holds great value in your spiritual journey towards awakening. The entire Bible is an esoteric astrological gnostic treatise in Kabbalah. You cannot apply it to the world at large unless you take it with a grain of salt and realize that if enough humans believe something will happen it may very well happen, but that doesn't mean the Bible predicted it, it merely influenced it.
Prophecy is not from "God" it is from psychics and astrologers and they can be overridden by free will at any time.
Unfortunately, the Mayans were working with a medium (carvings on rock) that had a finite surface area, just as paper calendars also run out of space and people need to buy a new calendar. You don't freak out every year, thinking the World is coming to an end just because the paper calendar ends, do you? The digital rock (the iRock) hadn't yet been invented (the ones with the LED display that tells time a nd date).
Yet again, another example of people applying their own World view biases to ancients, forgetting to consider the historical context....
no end of the world here, in oz. we are living in the promised land.
EOM- I will go along with you here a moment. Either Satan is God, or Satan is not so bad, compared to God.
OK, this is not too shocking for me, the thing is- ask yourself- how much do you REALLY know about either entity. You are reading about them in a corrupt organizations translation on a collection of ancient writings. Its a little like internet dating. Until you are sitting across the table you really have no idea who you are dealing with.
Also, not sure where you live, but if you get out you will see the whole world is not holding its breath over the Bible. Go to China.
perfect1 - no you misunderstood. okay let's just say the word satan represents the bad guy, the liar.
What I am saying is either satan, the bad guy, the liar, has tricked the entire world into thinking he is God, and that jesus was exposing that, he couldn't flat out say it or he would have been killed on the spot and it just wasn't time for any to know. and intereactions w/ the isralites were at times the true creator and at times the false one. What stephen said before being stoned, he quoted in Isiah how the 40 years in the wilderness they were NOT serving the true God, they were serving somebody else and his star god. There is even a mention in one part of the bible that when israel made the golden calf, the true one left them and then the army of the heavens or something went to them and they worshipped that one.
OR.......the other spin......
satan, the bad guy, could have done these things which make the true creator appear to be satan the bad guy and him the true one. that the above reasoning is a trick from him.
that is what I am saying. I'll fully explain it when I am done putting everything together and doing some more research. Going to list like 50 scriptures supporting each possibility, etc.
EOM said:
satan, the bad guy, could have done these things which make the true creator appear to be satan the bad guy and him the true one. that the above reasoning is a trick from him.
This is simply a rewording of one of the oldest questions ever, a form of the theodicy question: why does God allow evil to persist?
So let's play theodicy:
Jesus said that in the last days, there'd be those who'd appear as "angels of light", which again begs the question of why YHWH would allow that to happen? If you use the court analogy (with God as Judge, Jury, and Executioner, rendering perfect justice), then God is guilty of allowing Satan to introduce tainted evidence into the case (what happened to a sense of fairness?).
Assuming what you wrote is true, it begs the question of why YHWH would screw up by creating underling angels who had the power to be corrupted by themselves and confuse others, overpowering his own Divine Will. God basically made a faulty product. God wants to take credit for making everything perfect ("it was good") creations, but doesn't want to accept responsibility when anything goes wrong.
There's a very old expression, "it's a poor craftsman indeed who blames either the tools or his product for their failure to live up to HIS expectations". That applies to YHWH, too.
Even if the Bible WERE true and God did exist, does the Bible depict a God that is deserving of praise and worship, i.e. one who continually blames others for HIS mistakes?
Big Bird "coming out" of the closet might be a novelty, but could hardly be considered a "big shift" in the world.
BOE? What have you been drinking?......
I WANT SOME OF THAT TOO!!!!!
HURRY
king solomon - if what I say is true, then it could mean what one reads in the bible, the one doing those things was not the true creator. and about the bible......there is a scripture that says to keep checking the inspired utterances i think right? there are also ones that say how the scribes have written in falsehood. and jesus said you won't find life by looking in them. if falsehood got written into them, just look at the JW bible, to get to the closest have to go on original scripts in interlinear. but to sort out and know what is true, if what jesus said was true about the spirit of truth, then it could be holy spirit helps one identify what is true and not in the scriptures.
the big mess of everything, there is no way to turn to any human to really get full understanding, even the old testament itself, there are parts where the creator said that in the last days since the shepherds and everybody are leading all astray HE would find his sheep, HE would instruct them, they would hear a voice, this is the way to walk. one thing that IS in full harmony with both sides, that during the end, getting some kind of trust and faith and personal relationship with the true one is the only way. and spiritual talk does not make sense to those who don't have it or haven't got it yet or refuse it, many scriptures talk about that. Paul in Gal 1:11 said that the good news is not something human and he didn't get it or have it taught through man. 1 John 2:27 says the anointing is what teaches you. Jesus said since he was leaving, the spirit of truth is what would come to teach. and again in the old testament in the last days God, etc, said all are lead astray who had been following man.
