by minimus 44 Replies latest jw friends
One guy appointed an Elder ( he was an accoutant) he was ripping off bro's & sisters all over the place he did 2 years inside.
One elder(Married) was screwing a sister (she was also married) and was on J.C's D.fing people for imorality.
Too many drunks to mention.
Karter.
ME! I had also already learned TTATT and was appointed MS a few weeks after I joined JWN (when I woke up completely). It does make people think whether the HS has anything to do at all (it doesn't).
These examples prove that Holy Spirit has got nothing to do with these apps.
Many decades ago we had an elder who was one of Hitler's personal guards during the war. Obviously he became a witness after but this guy had a cruel streak a mile wide and he truly enjoyed seeing people suffer. At one point myself and my nine month pregnant wife ran in the rain to the side door of the hall which it had been deemed by the powers that shouldn't be used to enter the hall. It was completely glass so the whole congregation could see us wet and not able to access the front door because of my wife's state. He was standing on the other side of the glass door staring at us with a tiny grin. He wouldn't let us in. I swear the look was purely sexual....
How stupid I was to believe there was something special about elders, minsterial servants and Pioneers. I deserve a "dunce-cap", my first awakening of the limitations of men was one of the elders had a "black-book" and was screwing lots of sisiters (except his wife), his wife stayed with him for twenty years "nobody believed his was capable of doing this, he was such a nice guy, he did the parts nobody want's to" because had no money, she was stuck! Jehovah finally exposed him after he gave his wife HIV, the fine elder was bi-sexual and finally confessed his sins after testing positive 1990s time frame.
A real estate developer (one of the most crooked men) clean out the savings of many dubs, "he's a brother so he must be good?" It took years to get rid of this obvious thief, the dubs are not good at seeing conmen coming their way. Titles like "Elder, MS or Pioneer" scrub the R/F of any thinking power, the assumption "all JWs are good or Jehovah would send them packing" has destroyed lots of life-savings, homes and families.
One of the local congregations have their wine drinking parties, getting drunk with your entire elder body is priceless! What does this say about the health of the Organization when entire elder-bodies are drunks? Jehovah is going to punish these jokers, who play roulette with the lives of Jesus little sheep!
One of my favorite Bible characters is Ezekiel. He had some interesting things to say on the subject. First of all, it applied to Israelite shepherds, but perhaps the modern day shepherds should take note.
15 I myself shall feed my sheep, and I myself shall make them lie down, is the utterance of the Sovereign Lord Jehovah.
16 The lost one I shall search for, and the dispersed one I shall bring back, and the broken one I shall bandage and the ailing one I shall strengthen, but the fat one and the strong one I shall annihilate. I shall feed that one with judgment. (Eze 34:15-16 NWT)
20 Therefore this is what the Sovereign Lord Jehovah has said to them, Here I am, I myself, and I shall certainly judge between a plump sheep and a lean sheep,
21 for the reason that with flank and with shoulder YOU kept pushing and with YOUR horns YOU kept shoving all the sickened ones until YOU had scattered them to the outside.
22 And I will save my sheep, and they will no longer become something for plunder; and I will judge between a sheep and a sheep. 23 And I will raise up over them one shepherd, and he must feed them, even my servant David. He himself will feed them, and he himself will become their shepherd. (Eze 34:20-23 NWT)
Thank you Vidqun, I needed that scripture! I think of Amos, Isaiah, Mic and all the prophets the religious leaders wanted to kill for exposing their fraud, dubs are no different when confronted with their own lies and wrong doings.
Amos 5
7-9 Woe to you who turn justice to vinegar
and stomp righteousness into the mud.
Do you realize where you are? You're in a cosmos
star-flung with constellations by God,
A world God wakes up each morning
and puts to bed each night.
God dips water from the ocean
and gives the land a drink.
God, God-revealed, does all this.
And he can destroy it as easily as make it.
He can turn this vast wonder into total waste.
10-12 People hate this kind of talk.
Raw truth is never popular.
But here it is, bluntly spoken:
Because you run roughshod over the poor
and take the bread right out of their mouths,
You're never going to move into
the luxury homes you have built.
You're never going to drink wine
from the expensive vineyards you've planted.
I know precisely the extent of your violations,
the enormity of your sins. Appalling!
You bully right-living people,
taking bribes right and left an
Justice is a lost cause. Evil is epidemic.
Decent people throw up their hands.
Protest and rebuke are useless,
a waste of breath.
14 Seek good and not evil-
and live!
You talk about God, the God-of-the-Angel-Armies,
being your best friend.
Well, live like it,
and maybe it will happen.
15 Hate evil and love good,
then work it out in the public square.
Maybe God, the God-of-the-Angel-Armies,
will notice your remnant and be gracious.
16-17 Now again, my Master's Message, God, God-of-the-Angel-Armies:
"Go out into the streets and lament loudly!
Fill the malls and shops with cries of doom!
Weep loudly, 'Not me! Not us, Not now!'
Empty offices, stores, factories, workplaces.
Enlist everyone in the general lament.
I want to hear it loud and clear when I make my visit."
God's Decree.
18-20 Woe to all of you who want God's Judgment Day!
Why would you want to see God, want him to come?
When God comes, it will be bad news
With a double post, I can post the rest of Amos Chapter 5
18-20 Woe to all of you who want God's Judgment Day!
Why would you want to see God, want him to come?
When God comes, it will be bad news before it's good news,
the worst of times, not the best of times.
Here's what it's like: A man runs from a lion
right into the jaws of a bear.
A woman goes home after a hard day's work
and is raped by a neighbor.
At God's coming we face hard reality, not fantasy-
a black cloud with no silver lining.
21-24 "I can't stand your religious meetings.
I'm fed up with your conferences and conventions.
I want nothing to do with your religion projects,
your pretentious slogans and goals.
I'm sick of your fund-raising schemes,
your public relations and image making.
I've had all I can take of your noisy ego-music.
When was the last time you sang to me?
Do you know what I want?
I want justice-oceans of it.
I want fairness-rivers of it.
That's what I want. That's all I want.
25-27 "Didn't you, dear family of Israel, worship me faithfully for forty years in the wilderness, bringing the sacrifices and offerings I commanded? How is it you've stooped to dragging gimcrack statues of your so-called rulers around, hauling the cheap images of all your star-gods here and there? Since you like them so much, you can take them with you when I drive you into exile beyond Damascus." God's Message, God-of-the-Angels
ME
I should not have been appointed an MS ( I was not consulted and it was just announced without my pre knowledge)
I should not have remained one for the entire time i was, I should not have been a pioneer either.
I just kept trying to do the right moves to overcome my 'weaknesses' ... it didnt work and they knew it.
just another proof that the holy spirit is a fraud.
oz
