by Chariklo 553 Replies latest jw friends
In case the shot accross the bow went unseen, i deal with science not philosophy
I was thinking something similar, but you put it succinctly. Like talking to a cardiologist and trying to score points by challenging him to a duel on astronomy. Seriously, Stonecutter, your responses seem completely disconnected from the statements being made---it's like we are taking part in two different conversations.
Seriously, Stonecutter, your responses seem completely disconnected from the statements being made---it's like we are taking part in two different conversations.
Why should I interpret this as anything less than an avoidance of my question? Irrelevant or not, would you please answer?
No. I repeated Snare's comment to say that I don't debate or discuss philosophy. I know some people really like it, and I'm sure I draw on some concepts, but I find it tiresome as a point of deep study.
I didn't understand the question....
This discussion is awesome and is a great microcosm of the fate of faith based religion. Among those supporting the premise of a god ( apparently any god) it has been claimed and not refuted by any other faith based posters:
I find myself heartened by the full scale retreat of superstitious thinking. The churches will continue to empty , the bible and all other sacred scriptures will be increasingly rejected, without structure and organisation faith based beliefs will become little more than a game of Chinese whispers with believers unable to agree upon any form, the body of Christ will be the individual in Christ. This intellectual rout is turning into simplistic faith statements such as 'Christ is love'. Faith based belief is increasingly becoming a loose choir singing Beatles tracks (NC;) ) If your belief is so neutered that it simply traduced to you wanting to love more then great. Go do that.
The super thing about love is you don't even need an invisible being for it. It's a free gift from evolution. Ditch the crazy unloving blood sacrifices, eternal punishments, miracle silliness and pretence to secret knowledge. It's emotionally freeing.
Still Thinking, if you ask a Christian, for example, by which standard they determine reason, they will quickly tell you that it's the Bible, or the 10 commandments, or Jesus' teachings, etc. I am simply asking what the atheist equivalent would be, since, I assume, atheists believe they exercise reason.
NewChapter, let's go with Plato's universal application of reason (logos) and not the all-too-used Enlightenment understanding of the concept...for the sake of argument.
Under the Platonic idea, what is the standard by which atheists determine reason?
In rhetoric, logos is one of the three modes of persuasion (the other two are pathos, emotional appeal; and ethos, the qualification of the speaker). Logos refers to logical appeal, and in fact the term logic evolves from it. Logos normally implies numbers, polls, and other mathematical or scientific data.
http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Logos#Ancient_Greek_philosophy
i think you might be in trouble mate...
Still, if you ask a Christian, for example, by which standard they determine reason, they will quickly tell you that it's the Bible, or the 10 commandments, or Jesus' teachings, etc. I am simply asking what the atheist equivalent would be.
aren't a lot of those christians not exactly following that book?
aren't a lot of those christians not exactly following that book?
And do the 10 commandments they follow include the Sabbath day---and is that logical?
are they abstaining from blood? hahahahaha
