Is the WT the only true religion? (page 5)

creativhoney

anything said by a witness trying to preach in an 'apostate' forum is null and void since the watchtower would df them for being here...

my own circular logic with which i would argue in here with any JW apologist - you shouldnt be talking to me - therefore you are going against the WT therefore why are you trying to stick up for it.

round and round

Christ Alone

Whew! Here they come. Fresh meat for the apostates!!!

Don't you know, the Governing Body didn't come into existence until 1971.

I don't believe this has been explicitely stated. The Apostles served as the Governing Body in the 1st century. Then the great apostacy set in and true Christianity was largely missing through the ages. There were glimmers of light as individuals attempted to shine truth. Remember that the Faithful Slave is not the Governing Body UNLESS and UNTIL they are acting in their capacity to deliver food. It is only during their production of this food that the Governing Body is the Faithful Slave. It could not have been until AFTER 1919 and Jehovah's people were released from Babylonish captivity (remember that term?) that a Faithful Slave could function. So no, Russel was not the Faithful Slave. No individual was. It wasn't until this release from Christendom that the prophecy of Jesus about the Faithful Slave began to be fulfilled. Beyond that, we will have to wait for a full explanation from the Faithful Slave about this new light.

Strawman Arguement..

Blood Transfusion and Governing body are not found in the Bible..

I am a Jehovah's Witness, after all. Strawmen are my bros!

Ahem! Putting the hat back on...

The term Governing Body is not found in the Bible. But the function of a Governing Body is found. The apostles served in this function and held council under Gods spirit to determine the future of Jehovah's organization.

Ancient Egyptians knew how to transfuse blood..

Jewish people would have been aware of Blood transfusions..

The Egyptians also used excrement to treat wounds. But the scripture does not differentiate between different uses of blood. It merely says "Abstain from blood!" This was going beyond the scripture in Leviticus about eating blood. The command NOW was to abstain from all forms of blood.

Would a Christian break a Jewish law to help someone? It depends. When the arc of the covenant was about to tip over, a man reached out to steady it even though the Law stated that he could not touch it. Was he not helping the carriers of the ark? Was it ok that he broke the law even to help protect the ark and the carriers? The Law did not state, "Do not touch the ark unless it is to help another person." It was "DO NOT TOUCH THE ARK!" The Bible also does not say "Abstain from blood...unless it will save your life." It says "ABSTAIN FROM BLOOD!"

Are you a follower of Jesus..A Christian?..

Or..

A follower of the Watchtower..A WatchTard?..

The 2 are inseperable. To be a follower of Jesus is to be a follower of the Watchtower and all that that entails.

Finkelstein

Christ Alone said ...

Yes, but there is no other organization that has all the proofs of true religion like Jehovah's Witnesses do.

In actuality there is an momentous amount of proof that the WTS. is a deviously concocted commercialized false prophet.

It started out that way and it continues along that path to this day.

One obvious and notable aspect of this fraud is where in the bible does it say to count how many hours and pieces of litature

were given or as it used to be sold to people at their front doors ???

You should read the bible more CA you might find things in there to learn from.

The WTS. are just peddlers of false doctrines which they established to proliferate their own published goods.

Supporting this false corrpt prophet may cost you dearly one day Christ Alone so be careful.

Every religious organization says that they are god's chosen organization, if you were to start you own religious organization how would

you openly describe yourself toward the public ? Or if had published your own books and other pieces of literature ?

Christ Alone

I think you should rethink your strategy... critical thinkers on this board... not blind followers...

Christ Alone:

Yes, but people usually start out as blindly following the Watchtower. After it has been "proven" that the Watchtower alone is showing true Christianity, then everything else they say is easily accepted.

Then there is the need to try and PROVE it to youself after you have been a witness for a length of time. It is here that the illusion starts to vanish if you are really using critical thinking. Even doing this experiement, I'm seeing how hard it is to stick to their line of thinking. It's so much fluff and very little substance.

But I'll get better at it. The OP is always going to be full of fluff just as a presentation is at the door. But when the deeper questions get asked, this is where cognitive dissonance comes into play. I'm already having that same old feel of cognitive dissonance and personally it is actually tough to write in this perspective. I'm not doing so well. But I'm actually appreciating the arguments that are coming up. I think that's the important part of this. What are the arguments that come up when someone takes this perspective. My replys are important, but not as important as the cognitive dissonace that should appear with the arguments of others.

Christ Alone

One obvious and notable aspect of this fraud is where in the bible does it say to count how many hours and pieces of litature

were given or as it used to be sold to people at their front doors ???

We don't count our time because of any sort of biblical command. We count our time so that our fellow brothers and sisters can see how we are all united in preaching God's word to others. It also shows people of the world that we are taking our commission to go door to door seriously. This isn't an essential, and it is possible that our organization could one day cease to count the time. However, many find it faith strengthening to see how their brothers are spending over a billion hours in preaching this life giving message of truth.

problemaddict

I actually think this would be really nice to see. I am not sure why people aren't getting what you are doing. Does anyone here really know how to answer a JW in the mindset described ina way that could spark a flame? I haven't seen any responses yet that would help in the defence of what everyone on this board believes to be true.

My wife has used this EXACT argumentation with me. She is pretty open minded. Give me some things to go at her with people. :) We aren't all just existing here are we? We are trying to accomplish something in this community aren't we?

Christ Alone

In actuality there is an momentous amount of proof that the WTS. is a deviously concocted commercialized false prophet.

The Watchtower functions as a prophet in that it declares the truths from the Bible. However, it has never claimed to have the gift of prophecy. It has stated:

"We have not the gift of prophecy." - January 1883, page 425.

"Nor would we have our writings reverenced or regarded as infallible." - December 15, 1896, page 306.

"[the fact that some have Jehovah's spirit] does not mean those now serving as Jehovah's witnesses are inspired. It does not mean that the writings in this magazine, The Watchtower, are inspired and infallible and without mistakes." - May 15, 1947, page 157.

"The Watchtower does not claim to be inspired in its utterances, nor is it dogmatic." - August 15, 1950, page 263.

"The brothers preparing these publications are not infallible. Their writings are not inspired as are those of Paul and the other Bible writers. (2 Tim. 3:16) And so, at times, it has been necessary, as understanding became clearer, to correct views. (Prov. 4:18)" - February 15, 1981, page 19.

OUTLAW

But the function of a Governing Body is found.

Show me where the Apostles needed a 2/3 vote to get something done..

The Egyptians also used excrement to treat wounds.

So does the WBT$..

The command NOW was to abstain from all forms of blood.

That was the Old Law..Jesus is the New Law..

Which are you

Christian or WatchTard?..

......................... ...OUTLAW

Finkelstein

However, many find it faith strengthening to see how their brothers are spending over a billion hours in preaching this life giving message of truth.

You mean this corrupt fraudulent Gospel designed by a continuously lying religious publishing house ?

The bible says things about lying and baring false witness.

and being that this religion is circumvented around a publishing house, this should even incite more caution.

Doesn't matter how many hours of preaching work is done, if its a false witness its a false witness.

Do you follow people simply out of numbers.

There are more followers of Mormonism that are also preaching around the world.

Is the WT the only true religion?

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