Are They Cynically Shutting Down The Organization?

by metatron 112 Replies latest jw friends

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  prologos

  Knowing what WE here know, WTBS shutting down/collapse is TOO easy to see. The kh crowd is still smiling. I lived through the collapse of the Nazi regime, although pushed from outside, internally fanatics got even more so, kids like me given bazookas and rpgs. people hanging from lampposts with "coward" signs around their necks. The facts or reality did not matter. Or the breaching of the berlin wall, started with a stray TV announcement after a long festering exodus and breakdown. But: after 1945 there was in western occupied zones :" lastenausgleich" sharing of the loss. undamaged house were hit with a compulsory mortgage to partially help the destroyed to rebuild. plus payouts to victims of the regime. If the wtbs has as much feeling for justice, will the billion or so of assets,-- disbursed to pioneers, other fulltime workers for time of work?, not to speak of damage for lost lives, livelyhoods? --wtbs might morph instead. its coming. God will find His among the debris.

  blondi: On seeing Christs presence: if localized: the planet revolves. the sun and moon are seen by all during th 24 hrs. 2) spirits have amazing spatial dimensions, reach and speed. ONE angel, in ONE night, sorted out ALL the first born of Egypt, a long country, man and beast ( so we are told). God is bigger than the universe " cant contain him" even now after 14 billion years of expansion, so would not the Son, "raised in the spirit" encompass, enshroud the earth and it would be seen?
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  DATA-DOG

  If things get bad for the WTBTS because of lawsuits they will just cry persecution. I really think they are wanting to finish the new headquarters because it may be all they have when the smoke settles. They are kicking out long time bethel people, bringing home missionaries, cutting printing, they have the dumb quasi-gilead classes for the r&f. School for Christian couples?! Really?! Give me a break. They want the lowly rank and file to feel like they are important like a missionary, but paying their own way. I wouldn't be suprised if we saw another Bible student/Rutherford's Witnesses split. If so the GB will just say that momentous events are occuring and the harvest is nearing completion and the evil slave, blah,blah, blah... They will retreat to headquarters and call it a historic event for " true worshippers ."
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  DATA-DOG

  DONT LEAVE US HANGING MR. FLIPPER. SPILL THE BEANS BRO!
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  Etude

  I've sometimes pictured that the religious structure Mormons built, while at times reputed to have had things like secret henchmen and even assassination squads, has coalesced into a group of people at the top who run things as a "special" type of business. They have come to believe their own place as saints and are therefore self-justified in the decisions they make. I don't think they view themselves as a cabal.

  They have come to totally believe and embrace their ideology, fulfilling their own expectations. That's why it seems so difficult to unentrench their views. They really believe in all they do and they have ways of justifying it. They don't sit or see themselves as perpetrating an organizational hoax or are necessarily aware (or even consider) a different impact their decisions may have on someone else. If there are any bad consequences, they can justify that too.

  I can see that there are a few things that the JWs can do to morph their position into something more overreaching. They can first develop and promote a view that would allow members to express their own opinions without directly challenging the organization. There was a parallel but different move a few years ago with the idea that one could forgive one-self after committing a sin because the matter was between you and Jehovah. I forget what they used to call that but I think it was "self reprove".

  With something like differences of opinion in place without criticism of the organization, they'd be able to maintain adherents and even attract reluctant ones. The "fellowship" bond would be maintained. Within that framework, it would be possible for some people to interpret going to college as a worthwhile thing. The organization could simply remain silent about it. When I filed as a conscientious objector, I heard all kinds of things that you could or could not do. Some brothers had elected alternative service without any loss of favor. For other's alternative service was tantamount to some sort of loyalty or obedience to the government. The JWs have been known to have different interpretations on some matters (sigh). A simple attitude adjustment could let the prevailing zeitgeist endure if they just stop meddling and nitpicking on every action people make.

  After about a generation, they could actually achieve individuals within their ranks that could have the credentials and business weight to be influential, just like the Mormons.
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  Aunt Fancy
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  ziddina

  "...WT corporate executives are OVER the GB as the GB is just a figurehead for a much more sinister , huge corporate monster thats running the WT corporation. How do I know this ? I've talked personally with a deceased GB members ex-JW relative who knows. This deception the WT Society is pulling over 8 million Witnesses runs a lot deeper than we or most people realize. ...." Flipper, page #1

  Yeah, Flipper! As DATA-DOG says, don't leave us hanging!!!

  UNHAND them beans!!!

  
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  Etude

  I had no idea flipper could talk with the dead.
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  ziddina

  Re-read the comment - took me a couple times, too...

  "...I've talked personally with a (deceased GB member[']s) ex-JW relative..."
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  Phizzy

  The point Flipper makes is correct though, there is an unaccountable and faceless group who actually control and run the WT, using the GB as front men.

  The faceless Execs are in it for the money, the GB are really in it only for the ego boosting power they have.
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  Calebs Airplane

  Metatron... very good points you make about the LDS hiearchal structure. Looks they're pretty solid so far... Also, Mormons have learned the value of diversification.. For example, a few years ago, they started peddling home security systems door-to-door (APX Alarms)... Maybe we'll soon see JWs selling surplus furniture door to door (from all the bethel branches that are closing down).