When I called Patterson yesterday..... (page 4)

Will Power

LD
I wish I could think of something to say to help you deal with this.

LDH

Unfortunately, there is nothing that anyone can do. She has been brainwashed very effectively.

When I spoke with my sister concerning it, she said--"Don't sewat it. She'll need you WAY before you ever need her."

And this is so true.

This person has NO REAL friends, not even fake ones because she has been marked for YEARS as a weak JW. Therefore, her "trying to get strong in the truth" --is a ruse. It will take her YEARS to cultivate friendships with those in the 'truth.'

So imagine, no close family and no close JW friends. She truly is on a one-woman island.

Lisa

MoeJoJoJo

Grunt,
I really feel for you, how painful your situation must be with your daughter. I hope there are no grandkids involved that would be much more difficult.
If she has a heart as big as you seem to have, she will eventually resume her relationship with you.

Grunt

Thanks MoJo,
Sadly mine is far from the worst situation on this board. Those of us who have lost loved ones to the Tower for the "sin" of questioning the cult are legion.
My daughter is one of those who "would never bring children into this awful system of things." For that I am sad to say I am grateful. As much as we would love to have grandchildren; to have them and not see them would be terrible. Once again, there are those on this board who can speak to that. We are dealing with a cult. I try to keep remembering that in dealing with my daughter. She is certain she knows so much when in fact she knows so very little and her ignorance is reinforced at every meeting and by every conditional friend. All we can do is pray that she will be among the masses who drop out every year and rejoin the normal world. Thanks for your thoughts and concern.

LDH

Update.

I haven't mentioned this whole fiasco to anyone else in my family, but apparently the people involved felt it necessary to spread all around.

In a phone conversation with another relative last night, I found out that the person who wrote me the letter had surgery this week. My reaction? I didn't give two pieces of rat crap, and told them so. My family said, "Well we heard you were talking about Apostate things and so that's the reason for the rift."

I tried to explain what happened, but was rebuffed and told, "Nope I don't want to hear it."

So here is the email I authored. I sent it last night. Tell me what you think.

Just wanted to clear something up for you, because you've apparently heard one side of the story and I think it would be fair of you to hear the other. Please don't get mad, I am recapping the conversation.

About three weeks ago when I called "A", "B" was also there. She started in on "when are you coming back to the truth" etc etc. I tried as best as I could to deflect her line of questions, at least four times, but she insisted on knowing why I felt it wasn't the truth.

I simply said, "I have learned some things that bothered ME. But if you are happy then it's not your deal." She insisted that she know what was bothering me.

I told her one thing that has really been riding on my conscience and soul was that the WTBS has been, since 1990, a member of the United Nations, approved as an NGO (non-governmental organization).

Her one word response to me was "Bullshit." At that point I was willing to drop it but she continued to insist that it was a lie. I told her that I would send her a copy of the letter on WT letterhead where the WT admitted they were members (but they stated a reason for their membership that IN MY OPINION was not a valid excuse to be an approved associate of the organization they consider to be The Disgusting Thing (let the reader use discernment). Again she said, "You are controlled by the demons and it is a fake letter."

I said, "Would you believe me if you heard it from the horse's mouth?" She said yes. I called the Public Relations department in NYC, Br. J R Brown heads it up now. It was my intention to speak to him, but instead I got transferred to some lame brain in Patterson.

Either way, I simply asked my question and the Brother in Patterson said, "I heard something about a letter circulating on the Internet and we are getting a lot of calls about it." Well, this was news to me and I asked him what he knew about it. He said, "It wouldn't bother me anyway if it were true."

Needless to say I was shocked beyond belief, after all that I have learned about what the Witnesses teach about the United Nations and who she represents. To hear him say it wouldn't bother him to find out the WBTS applied for and received membership status in the UN, I just couldn't take it any more. To me, this was an excuse that just didn't cut the mustard.

On the other line, "B" said, "I knew it was something to do with the internet!" Now, I love "B" but she doesn't know a thing about the internet. Just because something is ON the internet doesn't make it false. At that point I reminded her that the WBTS maintains a comprehensive web site on the Internet themselves, to which she replied that she didn't believe it. She then said (with the brother still on the other line), "I'm not going to bother the brothers with that mess." WHATEVER. She asked me.

Having no further need to argue with someone who doesn't know what they are talking about, we ended the conversation.

Two days later, "A" sent me an email which I have not (and will not) acknowledge. Although her email is in total disagreement with what the Society teaches about shunning, I ain't gonna be bothered. She will need me LONG before I need her.

I am finished begging people to be nice to me. After all I do for others, ESPECIALLY "A" , if they can not find a way to reciprocate I'm done. Of all people, "A" still smokes and steals. She calls her children MFers to their face. (Don't tell me this isn't true, I'm CONSTANTLY chastising her for talking to them and beating them too harshly. I have been tempted to call Child Protective) And yet, she's going to tell me Jehovah doesn't approve of me? Laughable.

ALL of us have the right to our own personal opinion, but when it comes to down to it, I can't deal with people who shoot the messenger instead of examining the validity of the message. Now if she had said, "Well I'll examine all the evidence and see." That would've been fine with me. Like I said, it was something that bothered ME.

And that's why we're not talking. "A" is one of the weakest minded people I know, and although I love her like a sister, I'm not above shunning someone either.

Love you,

Me

Mister Biggs

Good, heartfelt e-mail, Lisa!
Please keep us posted on this continuing saga.

Almost There

LDH,

Your relative is not even a witness and they are taking her side.

That is just so hypocrital.

Usually what worldy people say has no merit.

You just gotta love it, when people don't believe the TRooth enough to follow it themselves. But have the adacity to inforce it upon a person who REALLY submitted to the ridiculous religion.

I have a disfellowshipped sister, who calls up my parents to tell them what apostate activities my other siblings are into. And my parents are united with her when she is speaking against the real TRUTH.

But can you believe it, she call my parents and told them she wanted to come visit for a few days. She suggested that she come Thursday and attend the Memorial with them. My father tells her, no, you can come on Friday. And guess why? She just had a beautiful grandaughter for them out of wedlock and they don't want their beloved "Friends" to see their two beautiful grandchildren that were conceived out of wedlock.

She cries, asking how they can be so cruel. I tell her, I think it's terrible what they did to you. But I don't even want to discuss it with you.

I swear Religion is a SICKNESS.

LDH

Almost,

How could someone be embarrased of an innocent little baby???

You just gotta love it, when people don't believe the TRooth enough to follow it themselves. But have the adacity to inforce it upon a person who REALLY submitted to the ridiculous religion

A great insight! This person is one of those perpetual "studiers" who is always "in the process of getting right" with Jehovah.

She doesn't have one iota of "accurate knowledge." And yet here they're slamming me for having the nerve to check out the claims of the Borganization they're risking their life and happiness on.

Lisa

Almost There

LDH,

I don't think they're embarassed of the baby. Because they are really good grandparents. They keep her older child weeks at a time and take him to the KH. But they're embarassed of my sister (former pioneer, their prized child), now living with a man and having babies.

Don't make it sound like I'm excusing them. Because I think it is shameful to be embarassed of your children. As I've told my father many a time, F*CK the FRIENDS and their raggedy 4-door sedans that they drove to the KH in.

When I called Patterson yesterday.....

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