I can't imagine not believing in God. (page 19)

EntirelyPossible

Here, then, is the evidence I was given to support my assertion that death is NOT the end of all conscious life.

None of that is evidence.

And it was then that I noticed those bones... all... "looking" at me. Every one of them. I saw them looking at me, and they knew I was looking at them. Neither was afraid, though. I was just... interested - I had no feeling of fear at all. And I "discerned" that they were just... curious... about something. Me... but more importantly, the One who had brought me there.

I'm pretty sure that come from a Doctor Who episode.

tec

So you had faith without any type of religious experience?

I cannot point you to the origin of my belief in God. Never been a time that I did not believe.

As a child, I can liken my faith as to knowing someone is there, and not much more than that. (that I can recall) I had plenty of doubts and disbeliefs as to what people taught about God, as a child and as an adult, but not about Him being real.

No reading the Bible and feeling good about what says,

Had faith in God long before I ever read the bible.

Did feel comforted by some of what it said later, when I did read it. (I read it to know whether or not someone was fooling me or lying to me about what it said, and therefore lying about what one should DO and believe) Also felt confused by some of it at times, and negative about other things at times... enough that I had to set it aside for a while, because some things in it kept conflicting with what I heard in spirit. Because I was looking at the bible with the eyes I was given through religion (like the wts), and I could not get away from that until I set it all aside.

getting a warm glow during a sermon

Never. Never felt anything at all in any sermon, ever. Except sometimes, the need to FLEE from the place it was being given, lol.

I was always an observer (outside looking in) in any kind of church or mass. I never connected. Occasionally the preacher/reverend/whatever would say something interesting and I would process that, but no emotional or religious experience in such things, at all.

no feeling that Jesus had done something for you?

This, yes, though it is not just a feeling... it is something that happens. When He did/does do something for me. Including simply answering something that I might ask about.

Hearing Christ, in spirit, might be what you call a religious experience. But emotion is not the basis of that either. Truth is though. Truth of what has been said; not that something has been said.

Peace,

tammy

AGuest

I would be curious how you have faith without some type of religious experience.

Please see above. Religion wasn't involved, at all. Not sure if religion would even grasp it.

So you had faith without any type of religious experience?

Yep.

No reading the Bible and feeling good about what says,

Not particularly, no.

getting a warm glow during a sermon,

Please... not even. Most grated on my last nerve. Still do. And not just those of the WTBTS. Why? Because no matter how "inspirational" they are designed to be, no matter how much "truth" they might contain... there's gonna a lie in there. Sooner or later. And usually more than one. And my "nerves" sit on end waiting for it... then "explode" when I hear it. And I always... always... hear it. Without exception. Always have. Just didn't know there was something wrong about that. I mean, heck, everyone lies... don't they? No, not everyone.

no feeling that Jesus had done something for you?

Nope. First, I didn't know "Jesus" (even when I thought I knew of a "Jesus"). When I came to know the One many CALL "Jesus" I came to know that "Jesus" has never done anything for me... because there is no such person. At least, not who is also the Holy One of Israel and Holy Spirit, JAHESHUA, the Son and Chosen One of JAH (MischaJah). So, nope.

A slave of Christ,

SA

EntirelyPossible

I cannot point you to the origin of my belief in God. Never been a time that I did not believe.

As a child, I can liken my faith as to knowing someone is there, and not much more than that

You just pointed to it.... You had an experience, a feeling someone was there.

Hearing Christ, in spirit, might be what you call a religious experience. But emotion is not the basis of that either. Truth is though. Truth of what has been said; not that something has been said.

OK. So you seem very emotionless about faith, Jesus, believing, etc. You just hear a voice, it's Jesus and done. From the way you are describing it, I get more emotional over a good poop.

EntirelyPossible

Hearing a voice IS a religious experience, no matter how much you try to downplay it. Sorry kids. Thems the breaks.

cofty

I came to know that "Jesus" has never done anything for me... because there is no such person. - Shelby

Your arrogance and air of superiority over other Christians is astonishing.

I see your disciples are learning your style.

AGuest

None of that is evidence.

Au contrare... and big time. YOU say, "Give me [such kind of] evidence and I will believe." Your "kind" (and that for most) involves you seeing. I saw. Another's "kind" involves hearing. I heard. For another, touching/feeling. I was touched and felt. And so on. For some, it would take all give. I saw, heard, touched/felt, smelled, and tasted. That, for ME... was sufficient evidence. I don't need YOU to have experienced it... or corroborate it.

Just as you don't need ME to experience... or corroborate... YOUR "awesomeness"... which you believe exists (which I could deny all the day long, but I'm absolute CERTAIN that my doing so won't do a DANG thing to negate YOUR belief that you are).

I'm pretty sure that come from a Doctor Who episode.

Couldn't have: First, I have no idea what a "Doctor Who" episode is (I've never seen one and don't watch BBC - tried Benny Hinn years ago but British humor doesn't really do it for this particular hood rat). Second, no flight suits (let alone skeletons in them) present in what I saw. Also, way too much light. Didn't you read where I said it was quite dark? Finally, your depiction is way too modern and clean. When I said this place was of dirt... I not only meant it was IN dirt, but it was OF dirt. Pay attention, O Awesome-ness One.

A slave of Christ,

SA

AGuest

Hearing a voice IS a religious experience, no matter how much you try to downplay it.

Well, you would have to hear for yourself to know different. Your time will come, though, as it will for everyone. Eventually.

Your arrogance and air of superiority over other Christians is astonishing.

That is your opinion and perception, C, and you're entitled to it. Others will simply see it as truth however... and logic: there is no "Jesus." Else, he would ANSWER everyone CALLING on him. Yes? Goodness, man... take your own advice and use your own logic, at least.

A slave of Christ,

SA, who has no "disciples." I mean, really, that again? How many did you have, Elder C?

EntirelyPossible

Au contrare... and big time. YOU say, "Give me [such kind of] evidence and I will believe." Your "kind" (and that for most) involves you seeing. I saw. Another's "kind" involves hearing. I heard.

And you never gave me that evidence. Visual and auditory hallucinations are not evidence.

Couldn't have: First, I have no idea what a "Doctor Who" episode is (I've never seen one and don't watch BBC - tried Benny Hinn years ago but British humor doesn't really do it for this particular hood rat). Second, no flight suits (let alone skeletons in them) present in what I saw.

They don't always wear spacesuits, sheesh. And Benny Hinn is a televangelist. Benny Hill is likely who you are thinking of. And clearly Big J watches Doctor Who, you just described like, 4 episodes. Maybe that's his message "Shelby, I am showing you some seriously cool Doctor Who I want you to watch, how much plainer do I have to make it than to show you clips from the show?

Well, you would have to hear for yourself to know different. Your time will come, though, as it will for everyone. Eventually.

Or just know what a religious experience is.

Others will simply see it as truth however... and logic: there is no "Jesus." Else, he would ANSWER everyone CALLING on him. Yes? Goodness, man... take your own advice and use your own logic, at least.

No, clearly not. Tons of people know my name and don't answer them all. Sheesh, at least use common sense!

I can't imagine not believing in God.

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