Ever wonder this about the annointed? (page 4)

Chariklo

Yes, the GB are control freaks, pure and simple. The rest are in thrall to them, enchanted, really, and for the most part completely unable to see their real situation so they don't even try to break free.

Sad.

Lozhasleft

I'm aware of the Church teachings, but I'm sorry, like I said, since Christ is my mediator, I don't need another to intercede for me. The power of Jah and Christ is enough for me, and I can't put stock or faith in any traditional ritual written in any church doctrine.

I'm not judging anyone, though, live and let live, whatever works for you.

Peace

Loz x

Chariklo

Loz, that is a misunderstanding. No-one intercedes for Christ, nor claims to.

Christ intercedes for us. We pray to him, directly to him, and a priest, in praying, or leading prayer, merely does just that. He isn't an intermediary. Our prayers themselves are intercessions on behalf of others, very often. We might ask Christ to intercede for us, but no man does. Catholics might and often do, though not always, ask one or more of the saints to intercede for us, in accordance with our belief that those who are in heaven are able also to pray to the Father.

Lozhasleft

But Char, similarly in the Catholic confessional that is exactly what the priests do. The whole hierarchical nature of the church is based on the fact that people go to priests for blessings and forgiveness, instead of going directly to our Heavenly Father.

Loz x

Chariklo

No, it really, truly isn't, not in any way, Loz. The priest doesn't bless or forgive. God does. One doesn't confess to the priest, but to God, through Christ.

The Sacrament of Reconciliation, which is what takes place, not by any means necessarily in the confessional and often not there at all, is exactly that, a sacrament, which means an outward and visible sign of an inward and spiritual grace.

Yes, one can and one does also confess to God in prayer, directly. The sacrament is a whole extra dimension, a richness, a sure inner ( and tangible) grace of forgiveness.

I'm merely explaining, not preaching, and certainly not asking or expecting you to accept something outside your own belief or tradition. My concern is merely to clarify and dispel misunderstanding.

Lozhasleft

Sorry Char, the priest's role is that of a mediator, teacher, shepherd etc. For me that role belongs to Christ, and I can't accept any religion's claim that they can confer or bestow this leadership etc upon any man. Only almighty God Jah appoints and confers the blessing of the Holy Spirit, and he does it through the ONE mediator between Him and mankind, Christ. "Call no one 'Your Father' on earth...." The Catholic Church claims that their priests are of the "kingdom of priests and kings" that Christ promised for the future, it's a false claim.

I think we must agree to disagree, in peace.

Loz x

AGuest

Maybe it's different between Episcopalian, Anglican, and Catholic??

I don't know the inner workings of any religion except the WTBTS (and I HATE that I know that! ). Unless and until you start talking Lutheran , that is (because that's my "family" religion)... which is really nothing more than a Protestant Catholic (LOLOL!).

But, well, now, wait... that's mom's side; dad's folks are Baptist. No confessionals there, but a WHOLE lotta wine drinkin'. And not just on the first Sunday (hence, most of their churches use grape juice instead of wine...).

Just sayin'...

Peace!

A doulos of Christ,

SA

Lozhasleft

Lol Shelby, it's true we all come from different perspectives don't we? What doesn't work for me may well work for someone else. My experiences with churches including my ex's affliliation with the Catholic church, hasn't been much better than my experiences with the WTBS, so I am consequently averse to any of them. If we have a love for almighty God though, I am sure we will all find our way to worship Him.

Loz x

Chariklo

Loz, you missed my point completely. The priest's role is not that of mediator. As I said, that is Christ. That's why one prays to the Father through Christ. As to teacher...well, you are a teacher, aren't you?

The bishop is a shepherd, but not instead of Christ, and no-one even considers it that way. I don't see any problem.

PICK think Epicopalian are exactly the same as Anglican, AGuest, and both are very similar in many respects to the Catholic Church, with a few differences. For me, I see no problem, but since I know both very well I am happy to answer and throw light if possible on any queries. :) no problem!

Baptists...no, I've no experience of them though I have Baptist friends and know roughly but not in detail what they think.

Lozhasleft

Char, I love you dearly, and can see that you accept this 'way' in your worship of our Heavenly Father. You, I think, can see that I don't/can't, so all is good. We both know where we're going and who we love and worship.

Peace to you my sister

Loz x

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