Are you happy?

by teejay 39 Replies latest jw friends

  • Marilyn
    Marilyn

    Liberty, Oddly enough I was asking you because I'm concerned about my 25 yo daughter who also suffers depression. My daughter is a doctor herself (just qualified) and she's attractive and caring about others but she really struggles with herself. What's that saying "physician heal thy self"? Easier said than done. My daughter has recently had a relationship break up which has tipped her over the edge. Prior to that she managed to keep reasonably positive by taking Brewers Yeast tablets, which are excellent for the nervous system and Evening Primrose Oil capsules which appear to help regulate female hormone production - associated with mood swings. I would suggest your girl friend try either of these - they are not expensive and have certainly proven their worth in our household.

    I don't know Luvox, but I do know that anti depressants cause a lot of side effects. I recently read that Buspar doesn't interfer with sexual function. Though you can't trust everything you read. My daughter is trying something new, but I don't know the name. I don't like the idea of anti depressants but the alternative is also very worrying. The other thing that I think is hugely understressed is exercise. Obviously it's the last thing a depressed person feels like doing but if a regular pattern can be established I think exercise (regular) has the power to lesson depression to an acceptable level. Your girl friend is probably like my daughter and has no time at present for exercise. :-(

    Nice chatting to you. Well done you for being so patient and understanding with your girl friend.

    Marilyn

  • Mum
    Mum

    This is a great topic. Yes, I am happy in general. Yes, I am happier in general since I left the WT.

    Happiness can be affected by many things. I have learned from the Meyers-Briggs studies (in "Please Understand Me" and other books) that the "happiest" type is likely to be the SP/Artisan because this type of person naturally lives in the present and does not voluntarily choose activities that are not enjoyable. The type that is least likely to be "happy" would be the NF/Idealist or the SJ/Guardian. The idealist has an inner need to be a catalyst for change and to help others achieve their potential, both of which can lead to bitter disappointment. The SJ/Guardian is very methodical and more likely than other types to be bossy, having lots of "shoulds" to contend with. The NT/Rational is more detached and has less interest than other types in "happiness," being more abstract than realistic.

    I have taught myself to enjoy life more by learning about the other types and adopting their attitudes when it would be helpful. I read self-help books with strategies for improving one's life. There is nothing that cannot be learned, including happiness.

    My daughter is on anti-anxiety medication. At first, she resisted, telling her doctor that she would rather have therapy because she did not want to alter her brain chemistry. The doctor replied that therapy also alters brain chemistry. I believe that learning and self-examination must do so as well because I cope much better than I ever did before.

    Thanks, all, for your perspective.

    Regards,
    Mum

  • bigboi
    bigboi

    Faith, like most things in life, is what u make it. That may explain why teejay's mother can be so happy in a religion that produces so much of the opposite emotion in it's current and former members. She may be like I was ( and still am to a certain extent) in not seeing God as being as black and white as ppl paint him (or he's painted himself?). I could never see such a loving God like Jehovah just indiscriminately killing everyone at Armageddon. Of course I'm not now nor was I then going to speculate just how he would accomplish fulfilling my desires, I just put it in his hands.

    As far as being happy I can never say that I ever was completely as a jw. I never felt like I was doing all that I could or my best. A lot of times this was due to circumstances in my life that I was given very little help or advice to bring about change or that I just couldn't because of being a minor. In other words there are always circumstances that have to be accounted for. Some under our sphere of influence, some waaaay beyond. Yet, what it all boils down to is the way we choose to deal with what life presents to us.

    We can embrace love; it's not too late
    Why do we sleep, instead, with hate?
    Beliefs require no suspension
    To see that Hell is our invention.
    We make hell real; we stoke its fires
    And in its flames our hope expires
    Heaven, too, is merely our creation.
    We can grant ourselves our own salvation.
    All that's reqired is imagination.

    ~ The Book of Counted Sorrows
    taken from Darkfall by Dean Koontz.

    ONE....

    bigboi

  • teejay
    teejay

    Dayum!

  • DanTheMan
    DanTheMan

    I agree with what most people have said about chemical/biological factors and how they relate to happiness. But I think you can change your chemistry. I used to suffer from extreme social anxiety, and I think a lot of that was bad chemistry, but slowly over the years I'm learning to overcome it. One of my favorite self-help books is called "Taming Your Gremlin" by Richard Carson. It uses a metaphor of a "Gremlin" as the inner "you are bad/hopeless/stupid/incompetent/unworthy" voice that I think so many of us deal with. The book has some really good tips on how to deal with that voice. I hope that someday I can get to a point where I'm stable enough to have an intimate relationship, but that is a ways off yet, I think. I am sure that my brain chemistry is getting better and better, and leaving the borg (talk about a Gremlin) can only improve things more. One of the things that I hated about the Borg was that it seemed so Darwinian, where only the fittest survive - fittest as in the people who can swallow that shit week after week and never question it and are so able to suppress their doubts and ignore how f***ed up things are in the congs. I'm really rambling here -

  • Solace
    Solace

    I am also much happier and at peace with my life out of the Org.
    Not only because I no longer harbor the guilt and feelings of inadequacy by never living up to the Orgs. expectations but also because I know that everyone is NOT going to be killed in Armageddon.
    I was so sick of hearing how Jehovah was going to torture and kill everyone who wasnt a J.W. I knew it was morbid and I didnt think a loving God would do such a thing. I remember telling my aunt that if thats how God was, then I didnt want to worship such a cruel God.
    Pretty brave for being as young as I was and not knowing anything more than it sounded cruel to me. Imagine my surprise and anger when I found out about all the falsehoods of the org.
    I love having the peace of mind that everyone has hope, not just J.W.s.

  • Marilyn
    Marilyn

    Dear dantheman, I have noted down the book you suggest. I hope you keep progressing and getting better and better.

    all the best
    Marilyn

  • teejay
    teejay

    It disturbed me a little when I read happy man's words that "this was the best i ever read on this site," but then it registered that he was a JW and I understood.

    In my initial post, I didn't mean to say that Dubs are happy and ex-JWs aren't; that people of little means like my mother are happy and that rich people living in half-million dollar homes aren't – that wasn't the point at all in using Mama and Aaron as subjects. All I was saying is that "happiness" is not the exclusive property of ex-JWs ONLY. People can leave the Organization and end up more miserable than ever. The Organization is neither the cause of unhappiness nor the creator of it.

    Part of my thesis is that people decide to be happy. Period. If they decide to be happy with little... good. On the other hand, if they have much but continually quest for more, constantly thinking that something in their life is missing, "happiness" will always be elusive.

    Prisca said: But I'm not 100% happy, and I don't expect to be. There are things in my life that I'd like to change...

    That was kinda what I was driving at. "Happy" Dubs aren't the only ones in the world with negatives in their lives that they have to deal with. Regardless of what you do for a living or where you live, whether you've been to college or haven't, what kind of car you drive... Dubs and ex-JWs have some issues in their lives that lessen happiness. That's a fact of life.

    Since we've left the Organization, some negatives have either been minimized or have disappeared completely, but others have increased or new ones have appeared out of nowhere. Sometimes being an ex-JW CREATES problems we would not have if we had stayed "in the truth." In or out, Witness or Ex... such is life. There is no panacea, no place where we can go to find the epitome of happiness.

    Happy man spoke of field service, one aspect of Witness life unknown to most who've never been a JW, so I'll speak of it.

    Personally, I loved it. I liked the camaraderie, the car groups, the sense of purpose, meeting people with "good news," taking a break and socializing at Mickie Dees, watching and listening to the antics of the little kids, meeting back up at the Hall afterwards and making further service or secular plans – the sense of family associated with the entire process. Yeah, if you want, you can easily find negatives about field service and FOCUS on those, but my point is that there are many positives about the activity, also. Something else not to be forgotten is that Kingdom Hall's are not all the same, so someone's experience as a JW in one place may be far different from someone else's in another place.

    Of course, as Englishman and joelbear alluded to, happiness itself is difficult to define and even if you do, the feeling of joy and well-being is something less than permanent. Whatever we might accomplish in life, whatever activity we engage in, will ultimately come to an end. Whether we build a multi-million dollar empire following our release from the evil clutches of the WTS or spend many years sharing the JW version of "good news" with others as a regular pioneer, eventually it's all over. Like every other human to ever live, in the end we all learn the truth that Solomon (?) spoke of: "All is vanity." That being the case, why denounce others for the time they spend doing what they THINK makes them happy? Who's to say they aren't?

    As Xena said of a family member: She lives for the hope that they offer her... I don't want to take that away from her. Everyone had to decide what they need to be happy and it is different for everyone. All we can do for others is be when they want us to be with a non-judgmental, open-minded attitude.

    'nuff said. Thanks for everyone's comments.

  • YYHWH
    YYHWH

    I believe to be truly happy in our out of the non-truth you must have belief system that you stick to and have no doubts about. If you have ever read the book by Dale Carnagei (pardon my spelling) titled How To Quit Worrying and Start Living it has some great concepts and the one that I liked the most explains that we have to live in day tight compartments, do everything you can do each day that you know brings you happiness,whether it be spending quality time with a loved one are saying a kind word to your mate, it might could be working at a hobby, figure out what it is that makes you happy and work at it.

    I truly believe that one thing that can destroy happiness is doubt and guilt. So stick by your belief system and happiness I think will be there.

    Happiness is predominantly a state of inner contentment. Though it may transiently revolve about success in the world, one’s career or achievements, more fundamentally it seems to be an inner contentment with oneself, who one is and a deep happiness about being who we are. Many people manifestly do not possess this quality, no matter how great may be their ambition, success or achievement in worldly, financial or career terms. This is also supported by the fact that many highly ambitious, successful and achievement-oriented individuals are not happy, while many humble and seemingly ‘unsuccessful’ people do possess this inner happiness.

    We might conclude, therefore, that true happiness is a contentment with oneself far more than anything contingent upon one’s success, ambition or achievement. This impression is even further reinforced when we consider the happiness and contentment of figures like Mother Teresa, Gandhi, Buddha and the Dalai Lama, all of whom seem to manifest (ed) a simple happiness in being who they are as people and an infectious delight in life, rather than an egotistic obsession with success or achievement.

    Arguably, also, on a medical level, inner contentment might be a reflection of [and positively reinforces] a state of health, while being over-concerned with ambition, ego and worldly success, might be seen as an unhealthy condition to be in. In narrative or holistic terms, happiness might be regarded as the smooth and harmonious functioning of the total psycho-physical continuum that is a person, while an unhappy person is an inharmonious functioning of the same. Arguably, medicine is not divorced from this, but should be about making people happy as well as healthy.

    In the ancient medicine, and such figures as Paracelsus, medicine was still happily wed to theology, and was not just about ‘fixing a few parts’, but making the whole person happy, well and healthy. Alchymically making ‘gold’ from ‘dross’, meant understanding the root causes of a person’s unhappiness and unwellness and transforming them into the ‘gold’ of good health and happiness.

  • teejay
    teejay

    Many very good comments made here, but at the root of my original post is the question: Is it possible for person to be a JW and be happy? I think they can. I think it's more than possible -- that there are many happy JWs who are living exactly the way they want to live.

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