Are you happy?

by teejay 39 Replies latest jw friends

  • D8TA
    D8TA

    Happiness and Chaos equation goes hand in hand, with me. So many variables dictate a "happy" state. In a general all round sense, I'm happy. What makes me happy? Freedom.

    Freedom to travel
    Freedom to think
    Freedom of self education
    Freedom of CHOICE in eduction.
    Freedom of CHOICE in a lot of areas in my life.
    Freedom to have a self understanding of what life means to me.
    Freedom of exploration.
    Freedom of associating with anyone I please, being friends with anyone I please.
    Freedom of expression. In mind. In heart. With mind. With heart.
    Freedom.

    I know it sound a bit like William Wallace-ish, but freedom in many areas in my life is ONE of aspects to my happiness.

    I believe, due to those variable events, that "true and complete" happiness and contentment can never be achieved. To many events can change the course. I think what matters with me, is how I'm going to view those events. How I'm going to steer my ship in troubled waters.

    D8TA

  • joelbear
    joelbear

    Teejay,

    Fantastic essay. Hope you get to come and see me in Atlanta some time. We could have a great discussion.

    I think there are two types of happiness; episodic elation that is situational and contentment that is more of a substructure of support that allows one to face the hard realities of life without breaking.

    I experience the first type from time to time. And I experienced the first type when I was a witness from time to time. Enjoy a great meal, have great sex, have a rockin time with my friends, etc. I think the first type of happiness is mostly externally stimulated and therefore only temporary.

    I don't think I have ever experienced the second type. I was never content as a witness because there was too much that I wanted that I could not have as a witness. I was never able to sublimate my desire for education, career challenge and in my case sexual gratification. Add this to the fact that I could not ignore teachings which I could not prove to myself were true and you get the equation for why I left. Either one by itself would not have been enough.

    Now after 14 years to experience the world in any dang way I cared to, I am still not content. Yes, I have spikes of elation from time to time but the underlying substructure is simply not there.

    I continue to feel a strong pull back toward the witnesses. During my trying times of late my friends have not really been there. True, my witness friends were not always there either, but I still felt safer and more cared for as a witness. I feel very alone now. I understand why people become witnesses and stay witnesses.

    I have found nothing else to believe in. So, here I am, with my paid off house and my nice nest egg and a 3.85 GPA and no contentment.

    Joel

  • Xena
    Xena

    Like always I enjoyed your post teejay!

    I think different people want different things from life. Like you I have a family memeber who is happy being a JW. She lives for the hope that they offer her. I have held back from openly sharing with her why I have left the JW's because I don't want to take that away from her.

    She seems happy enough...she has no desire to know different. We have discussed it and at this point I don't think she could handle losing her faith...and would she be happier if she didn't have it? I don't know and I don't feel like it is my place to make that decision for her. Personally I think some people need what the JW's offer. I don't fault them for that, it is their decision. Of course probably one of the reasons I don't mind is that this particular relative doesn't shun me and I don't feel ever would...

    My point? lol yes there was a point to all this rambling people. Everyone had to decide what they need to be happy and it is different for everyone. And it changes with time and circumstances. All we can do for others is be when they want us to be with a non judgemental
    openminded attitude.

    Live and let live....even if you don't agree...

  • Marilyn
    Marilyn

    Hi Teejay, I am not too regular here but I had an active day yesterday and my discussion with VioletAnai caught your attention I see?

    I suppose what disturbed me about VioletAnai's going back to the Org was that she has an ideal of what the Organisation is, which is nothing like the reality - though it's her reality.

    Your question is reasonable and I would like to direct you to the video store where you should be able to get a copy of the movie Holy Smoke. If you have seen it then you will know why I am suggesting this movie in reference to your question. I found the movie fascinating because it questioned our rights to deprogram some one who appears/is blissfully happy in a cult. It's Kate Windslet and Harvey Kitel and they both play very convincing roles - Kate as the cult member and Harvey as the deprogrammer.

    Although I ripped into Violet yesterday, I thought the movie put another side forward, that if people think they are happy and they aren't hurting anyone, then should we really enlighten them otherwise? For me it comes back to the question of do people really know what they are involved in and is that important if they are happy in their delusion?

    I think your question is difficult to answer because we are comparing chalk and cheese. Happiness as a JW and happiness as a non JW. A JW's happiness is based on a pipe dream. It's like a placebo. It's derived from what they think is true but not what is really true. A non JW is usually burdened with reality and that's just a tad more diffiuclt to deal with.

    Marilyn

  • Frenchy
    Frenchy

    Excellent post, Teejay and some very good replies as well. I have never really been a happy person. My father committed suicide when I was fifteen. Mom went berserk, spent some time in a mental hospital and I had four siblings to tend to. She began drinking and going through men like there was no tomorrow. Two years later I was married and on my own. The next twenty years were a little harder. I have always felt the weight of being responsible for others bearing down on my shoulders.

    I don’t suppose this makes me a good candidate for a response to this thread but here goes anyway. Teejay you touched on some very real issues here. I will try to reply to the examples that you give by taking them at face value. (I don’t know those people and that makes it easier to do so.) One of my favorite sayings is: “The richest person in the world is not the person who has the most but rather, the person who needs the least.” Jesus said it better when he said that: “…because even when a person has an abundance his life does not result from the things he possesses” Luke 12:15, NWT. Your rich friend once entertained a hope of everlasting life in a perfect world. Now all he has are the riches of this world and a life that will end one day. Whatever he achieves or accomplishes will perish with him and that can make a person feel as though he has no relevance. Death would not be so bad if it weren’t so damn permanent!

    Your mother, on the other hand still entertains that hope of everlasting life in a new world where God rules and all is right with the world. She feels loved by God and death to her (if it comes at all) will merely shield her from the culmination of the Great Tribulation at Armageddon. She will awaken in a world where all the anxieties and pains and trials of this world will be things of the past. She will be able to fulfill every wish she ever entertained, develop all interests, and do it all while feeling elated every second of every waking moment of her life…which will never end. I’d take that over a Porche any day.

    The key word in both examples is ‘temporary’. Both your friend and your mother view their situations as temporary. THAT being the case, which life would you prefer? I think it’s easy enough to understand that IF (big, big word here) that is indeed the case, MOST of US would choose the latter life.

    For most of us here we have come to realize that the Society is not what it pretends (actually believes!) itself to be. With that realization came abandonment of those hopes of everlasting life for most of us. For those who were once JW’s that hope must have really meant something to them…to put up with all that a Witness has to put up with…there must have been a great longing for that new world. Now most of us have lost that hope. How can we be happy? We can find some measure of happiness in certain aspects of our lives but what of the hope that once sustained us? How can we pretend to discard what was so precious to us at one time and say now that it really meant nothing to us? Perhaps some of us don’t care to remember what once meant EVERYTHING to us. Perhaps some of us cannot bear to remember it.

    Joel: Your words touched my heart also. I know how you feel, brother. Your words “I have found nothing else to believe in” reverberate like a million clashing cymbals in my mind. Perhaps it’s time to remember that just because the messenger personally proved to be less than what we expected, and although the message may have been somewhat corrupted by him, there is still hope.

    One final thought. I would gladly put up with the silly rules, the less than loving attitude of some Witnesses, all those meetings and the field service and all the time involved in working at the conventions, the errors and shortcomings of elders and traveling overseers, the forsaking of worldly goods and pleasures, the insults at the doors, the scornful looks of doctors and nurses when we tell them we can’t take blood and would rather die than do so…the condescending remarks and those looks of contempt from worldly people when they hear that we are a Witness. I would gladly put up with all of that…and more… if only it was THE TRUTH. Perhaps if we could remember that those who stay really believe it to be so…that we, at one time, believed it to be so…then we could better understand the brothers and sisters we left behind.

  • yumbby
    yumbby

    Hi, this is a really great post, and I find myself obligated to answer. As a witness, I did not leave because of the things I could not do. It truly didnot bother me having restrictions because it was all I knew, however I left because I came to believe it was not the only true religion as they claim and I couldn't stand to be so bigoted. Has the freedom to smoke, drink, cuss made me happier? No. Freerer. Yes, less stressed? Yes. However, when I started pursuing a career and better and bigger things when I left the org, my happiness vanished. I find the simple life, where you get enjoyment from the little things, thats what really makes me happy. I know it sounds so cliche. But I believe it so much that in two weeks, I'm moving out of my 700 dollar apartment in denver to live in a camp with no phone or tv in the swamps of louisiana. I think your mom has that key, she has found the way to her happiness in pride in her labor, feeling good about her life, family, and in her way, god. Your friend has a lot of money, but how excited does he get about the little joys of life anymore? Does he feel the satisfaction of a sparkling kitchen or a home cooked meal with friends? It sounds like he lost more than he gained. All that worry, when you have more, you have more to lose. I know this sounds preachy, I really don't mean it to be, I guess I have to validate my own decisions as well in this... forgive my rambling, and my over used cliches, I'm to tired to think up anything more original. peace to you.
    shantelle

  • ozziepost
    ozziepost

    Am I happy? Too bloody right!! I feel content. I guess part of it is that I'm free of having to comply with a regid and onerous routine and set of rules.

    Something that may not be generally acknowledged is that applying the WTS rules can be very stressful and burdensome for the elders.

    It's not that Mrs Ozzie and I now do nothing about our faith. I guess we have works aplenty. But we do what we do because WE WANT TO. And we don't have to report what we do.

    Oh, I nearly forgot... I'm also happy 'cos I don't have to wear a tie!

    Mind you, the WTS doesn't agree. See the May 1 issue of The Watchtower and you will see that they say that only those who are JWs can be happy. Well, they would say that, wouldn't they?

    Cheers,
    Ozzie

    "If our hopes for peace are placed in the hands of imperfect people, they are bound to evaporate."

    - Ron Hutchcraft Surviving the Storms of Stress

  • mouthy
    mouthy

    Great discussion- For my part I was a happy JW.( I thought) Going door to door-having people come to Jehovah( 10 of them)I thought it was GREAT to be used by God.But after they kicked me out-I went through a terrible depression-thinking it was GOD who ousted me.
    Then I went to a convention of Ex J.Ws - was shocked to see how happy they were! NO GUILT! It really confused me. Then I have to say Jesus knocked on MY door.I have never been at peace as I am now.I have things go wrong in my life-yet through them all-I have that inner peace-knowing Jesus paid it all...All I have to do is Love God first- & Do unto others as I like them to do for me.I have more caring friends now -who love me with unconditional love....

  • Hmmm
    Hmmm

    Good thread, all. Unfortunately I have nothing of value to add, that hasn't already been said, so I'll just welcome yumbby to the board, and ask her this question:

    Shantelle, can I have the $700 per month that you'll be saving on rent? If you could also throw in the money you'll save on phone and electricity, that would be great!

    Hmmm

  • TheStar
    TheStar

    Teejay,

    Lots of good stuff already mentioned here. I just wanted to add my 2 cents. A very wise person has helped me understand that happiness is about being true to yourself. It's not about how much money you have or don't have, whether your life is simple or not, whether you are a JW or not... It's about YOUR passion in life, whatever that may be...

    If other things keep you from doing what you want most in life, you will not be happy. If you are doing what you want most in life, despite the minor set backs and trials and tribulations that life drops on us, you will still be happy. This happiness will help you get through lifes trials and tribulations.

    We must all ask ourselves what our true passion in life is and follow through...

    "We would not refuse to treat one as a brother because he did not believe the Society is the Lord's channel... There should be full liberty of conscience." -- WT April 1, 1920, p. 100, 101

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