Tater I must admit he is a great comedian always make me laugh.
( Of course he is one of my country men )But I feel for him
lots of money a big following. But I believe he will stand before the
JUDGE eventually.... But it was funny!!! I wonder if he will be laughing then
Where is Jehovah?
by His Excellency 121 Replies latest jw friends
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mouthy
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Bella15
My Heavenly Father as implied in his title is in Heaven and hundreds of thousands, I would say even MILLIONS of SURVIVORS can attest to that according to their faith ...
Okay, we cannot do anything about the dead now ... what have we done to help the MILLIONS OF SURVIVORS????
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tootired2care
When you come to this \/ realization; the whole absentee god concept makes so much more sense.
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cofty
Bella - Your total evasion of the question is duly noted. Thanks.
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tootired2care
But I believe he will stand before the JUDGE eventually.... But it was funny!!! I wonder if he will be laughing then
Hmm...I wonder what god would say when he is called out on the untold suffering he has caused because of his confusing and conflicted messages regarding who he is or what he even wants; and how about the banishing the devil to the childrens playpen (as if there wasn't another planet) ? I don't think god would stand a chance in any court of judgement, if you accept any of that as fact. To think of the audacity that the bible says he is going to judge us!
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tec
TEC if some naughty kids were messing about with matches, fireworks and petrol and you have warned them about the dangers and 2 minutes later they are on fire and screaming in pain and missing some fingers, would you stand by hands on hips saying I told you so, or
would you lift a finger to help them?
We're not talking about children. We are talking about men (and women) who have chosen their path and who a) want the freedom to do so, and then b) want to blame God when things turn out exactly as He warned them that they would, according to their choices.
Its not like we don't have the mistakes of countless generations as examples. You would think we could at least learn from those. Sometimes we do. Sometimes man is just led by the same greed, power, ambition, etc, as always.
Peace,
tammy
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tootired2care
We're not talking about children. We are talking about men (and women) who have chosen their path and who a) want the freedom to do so, and then b) want to blame God when things turn out exactly as He warned them that they would, according to their choices.
How comforting. One can't help but wonder what confusing/conflicted information about god led to many of these bad choices throughout history. For example think of all of the scores of people that were burned at the stake, killed during the crusades, suicide bombings etc. killed because someones holy texts made them feel that "if god is for us who could be against us"? A great many wars throughout history started on that premise.
If someone makes false claims about you in public, the responsible thing to do is to clear it up. Even us feeble humans would fight such with vigor. Really all he had to do is set something up like idestructable pillars all over the earth (or something like that) that precisely communicate who he is, and what he wants, so that people can make informed choices. This would make it as plain as day, to everyone, all the time, that he is there, and ensure there is no confusion and conflicted ideas about who he is or what he wants. This doesn't seem like a tall order for someone who is supposed to be almighty.
You might say that God will fix everything at some later point; so gods solution is to have them unlearn the suffering they endured . Wouldn't it be more loving and economical to just prevent it in the first place? All of his terrible communication, and lack of involvement shows what little regard he has for human suffering. If god really was there, and is this loving god as the bible and other religious texts purport him to be, than surely he could have set a much better example in love than he has.
Yes yes...he sent his son to die for us and then later on Muhammed to try and keep us on the straight and narrow through Sharia, but really what good has that done for mankind as a whole? Has it stopped suffering, injustice? One could argue that all its done is to inject more confusion and suffering into the equation.
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Its not like we don't have the mistakes of countless generations as examples. You would think we could at least learn from those. Sometimes we do. Sometimes man is just led by the same greed, power, ambition, etc, as always.
I think in many ways we are learning from the mistakes of the past generations. People are waking up to the thought that this whole god idea that was dumped on us from our ancestors is completely broken and devoid of all logic and reason, something he supposedly created us with.
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cofty
My Heavenly Father as implied in his title is in Heaven
How would a world without this god look any different from the one we live in?
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Satanus
The wt says that jehovah resides in the heavens of the heavens. In wt world, the regular heavens is the universe. The heavens of the heavens is outside or above the regular heavens, in wt world. Therefore, jehovah is outside of the universe. That is really far away. Why so far?
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tec
How comforting. One can't help but wonder what confusing/conflicted information about god led to many of these bad choices throughout history. For example think of all of the scores of people that were burned at the stake, killed during the crusades, suicide bombings etc. killed because someones holy texts made them feel that "if god is for us who could be against us"? A great many wars throughout history started on that premise.
Do you honestly think that those wars would not have been fought, otherwise? Take God out of the equation, and you have people fighting over land, territory, money, power, women, ideologies, etc. Same old, same old.
Politics and religion... a bad mix altogether. Christ said NOT to be part of the world. That his kingdom was NOT from this world, or his followers would fight to establish that. These are pretty clear statements. So how is it that people are going ahead and fighting wars on this world in his name anyway?
If someone makes false claims about you in public, the responsible thing to do is to clear it up.
Despite the above words that everyone is privy to... it has not stopped people from doing their own thing, according to their own desires. Following kings, religions, governments.... and not Christ. Same old, same old.
Even us feeble humans would fight such with vigor. Really all he had to do is set something up like idestructable pillars all over the earth (or something like that) that precisely communicate who he is, and what he wants, so that people can make informed choices. This would make it as plain as day, to everyone, all the time, that he is there, and ensure there is no confusion and conflicted ideas about who he is or what he wants. This doesn't seem like a tall order for someone who is supposed to be almighty.
And yet, as we can see, despite very specific words and teachings and commands, that every 'christian' is supposed to believe in... those plain words are twisted in order to justify their own desires. Same old, same old.
You might say that God will fix everything at some later point; so gods solution is to have them unlearn the suffering they endured .
I do not know what this means.
Wouldn't it be more loving and economical to just prevent it in the first place? All of his terrible communication, and lack of involvement shows what little regard he has for human suffering. If god really was there, and is this loving god as the bible and other religious texts purport him to be, than surely he could have set a much better example in love than he has.
People would have to be changed. Meaning we would not have the freedom that mankind desires above all, to the point of killing or dying for it. Because people are the ones doing as described above. It is not God's communication skills that are at fault... it is our listening skills.
Yes yes...he sent his son to die for us and then later on Muhammed to try and keep us on the straight and narrow through Sharia, but really what good has that done for mankind as a whole? Has it stopped suffering, injustice? One could argue that all its done is to inject more confusion and suffering into the equation.
I do not know enough about Muhammed.
But Christ did and does good for those who choose to listen and follow.
But as always, it is the choice of each person what he/she does.
I think in many ways we are learning from the mistakes of the past generations. People are waking up to the thought that this whole god idea that was dumped on us from our ancestors is completely broken and devoid of all logic and reason, something he supposedly
created us with.
Out of curiosity, how do you think that is making anything 'better'?
I mean, I have no doubt that some atheists are far better off free of some religions out there. But so are theists.
Peace,
tammy