Why isn't anyone on JWN invited to the Facebook discussion by AAWA tonight?

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  • HintOfLime
    HintOfLime
    Why not just pull the bunched-up panties out of your butts and live and let live, for pity's sake?

    "Live and let live."

    Let me make this perfectly clear: There is no sweat off my back if the AAWA is sued and Richard Kelly is discovered to have comitted fraud. I don't know the guy.

    However, to ask us to not speak up and give them these warning would be asking us to do an unethical thing.

    We are giving them valid, critical feedback they need to hear. They don't want to hear it - but they need to.

    They are the ones getting things seriously wrong.

    They are the ones that outed people on Facebook - that's like the worst thing you can do to a fading JW - they randomly invited thousands of people on both sides of the fence into a "secret" group. Not so "secret".

    They are the ones who committed fraud with their legal documents. You know that line on legal documents - "I the undersigned solemnly swear under penalty of perjury that the information I have provided is true and accurate to the best of my knowledge" etc.? Are we to assume that the Richard Kelly really believed there was a man living at his address by the name of John Cedars? How could he sign those documents knowing they weren't true?

    We are asking them to take a few minutes to be honest and responsible, fix the messes the made, and get their legal ducks in a row. If they don't, they are quickly going to lose credibility and possibly face criminal charges.

    So don't attack us. Thank us. We are being nice here. We're not filling out forms with the ACC to report corporate/non-profit fraud. We are bringing it to the public attention so that the AAWA has to act on it and make things right.

    Remember: The AACA is not a person. It's not a friend you know, although friends you know may be behind it's "corporate veil". It is a legal entity, and it is just now establishing it's credibility as a legal entity. It is required that the org and it's officers behave within strict laws established for these kinds of legal entities.

    - Lime

  • slimboyfat
    slimboyfat

    Surely Cears would not be so stupid as to break US law when filling out legal documentation and leave himself open to prosecution? Surely not. What has he said about the matter? Did he mention it somewhere in his 2134 (or whatever) word summary of the whole sorry situation?

  • soft+gentle
    soft+gentle

    lime you don't really think AAWA would be that stupid?

  • HintOfLime
    HintOfLime

    It's a matter of public record, Soft+Gental.

    They really did file public records with "John Cedars" living with Richard Kelly at the same address (see document 04184930). From what I understand, Cedars lives in the UK, and that is not his real name.

    That's a part of their corporate history now.

    - Lime

  • Las Malvinas son Argentinas
    Las Malvinas son Argentinas

    Actually I think the onus would be on Mr Kelly. John Cedars does not exist, and the person claiming to be him is safely outside the jurisdiction of the authority. According to his own admission, cedars is a UK citizen living in a small Eastern European country. If all this gets blown up, it'll be Kelly on the stand, explaining who, why, when, what, and where about John Cedars. I feel that the AAWA should get on this for Mr Kelly's sake alone.

  • HintOfLime
    HintOfLime

    Yeah, I would assume so as well. Kelly was the one that signed them, and Cedars is comfortably in the UK (from what I've heard) outside the reach of Arizona laws to some extent.

    Kind of amusing really reading these long-winded posts from Cedars about how great their launch was when really he's not even legally on the board or president, etc.

    It's a bit of a facepalm.

    - Lime

  • Finally-Free
    Finally-Free

    This speculation about his location is interesting. I'll have to check with a friend who recently sent Cedars a copy of COC.

    W

  • Las Malvinas son Argentinas
    Las Malvinas son Argentinas

    He's in an Eastern European country which might not even have an extradition treaty with the US. It's all on Kelly.

  • soft+gentle
    soft+gentle

    to tell you the truth, lime, john Cedars doesn't really sound British. he has always sounded like a guy who is assuming britishness for the purpose of fading.

    edit: so i guess we now know he is from Arizona and is living with Richard E Kelly

  • dontplaceliterature
    dontplaceliterature

    Kind of amusing really reading these long-winded posts from Cedars about how great their launch was when really he's not even legally on the board or president, etc.

    My gut told me there was something wrong with this, but Lady Lee just slapped me down when I brought it up. I couldn't understand how he could be on the board LEGALLY as it would sacrafice his anonymity. I didn't realize he actually registered under his alias. That seems like such an elementary mistake.

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