I wanted to punch this elder so bad! (page 4)

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uhhhnnn

you weren't listening, obeying, and being blessed.....

gingerbread

This brings back memories!

Elders like this usually have no control over their personal lives - their family life is a disaster, they have a lousy job or no career, they're in debt up to their eyeballs... They're morons.

It's a good thing that this confrontation made you angry. I suspect that in years past you would have bowed your head, made excuses, accepted the verbal thrashing and put downs...like a good JW is supposed to take it. Eventually, I drew the "line in the sand" and the appointed policemen learned to avoid me. You're learning that you don't have to take it. Don't waste your time and energy arguing. You'll just wind up with egg on your face.

Also, this punkin' head was telling you the truth. They really believe that the HS picked them and it's their business to be in your business - it's in all the publications, talks, elder's school... All loyal members believe it as well - you'll hear it in comments all the time. Listen, Obey, and Be Blessed...

Think About It

I told him that recently there had been some problems but that they were PERSONAL and no one needed to know about them. Then he insisted on asking what they were, after telling him that they were personal. So I just said "it's my business. NOT yours. And that's the way it will stay." Then he paused. Raised his right eyebrow and then said, "but I've been noticing that there's something about you, not just recently. This has been going on for a long time now. And, brother, as bad as it may seem to you, as an elder appointed by Holy Spirit it is my business!"

In this asshole elder's mind.......personal problem = secret sin. The Jehovah Witness religion is a cult, and the longer I am out the more frustrating it is to see that people still in the religion can't see it. This elder will probably stir up shit against you with the others. If he tries it again, give him the talk that you are a grown man with a family, and he is not to disrespect you when you want to keep your peronal business to yourself. Then tell him that he is not to think about what you just told him, but to only obey what you just told him. Good luck.

jgnat

Job's comforter.

poppers

"So then I said "what if Jehovah told you to think?" The elder's sly smirk went away. He just stood there. Speechless. Frozen. He had no answer."

I bet his balls shrived to the size of raisins when you said that. No wonder he had no answer, all he could focus on was his scrotum.

wasblind

People who think for themselves are unlikely to follow a leader

who might decide to do somethin' utterly stupid

All becuase, they had a WTF !!!!! moment

Which in reality your brain is sayin' " Think about this "

Those who had a WTF !!! moment about the Kool Aid served by Jim Jones

used independant thinkin' to free themselves

Those who finally figured it out, but couldn't escape were force fed or injected against their will

" A mind is a terrible thing to waste "

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BluesBrother

Oh man, this is classic!.....I know that , really , it is serious and I am sorry that you have had these personal problems......but this verbal exchange is just hilarious!

And, brother, as bad as it may seem to you, as an elder appointed by Holy Spirit it is my business!"

What a jackass!! Even by elder standards he really is a moron who lives by his own puffed up self importance. As for thinking, you said it brilliantly . I always liked George Orwell's assertion in "1984" that "Nothing is your own except the few cubic centimetres of grey matter inside your skull"

RayPublisher

This one really really pisses me off...Thanks for sharing. I have known and worked with El-Durs like that in the past when I was one of them and it makes me sick.

If he or others talk to you again, please consider excusing yourself to the bathroom, turning on your cell phone's audio recorder, and then come out and have a long chat with them. We need to expose this mind controlling CRAP, over and over and over again for the world to see.

LisaRose

Wow, he just went there, didnt he? Ususally they at least pretend we have free will, but this is the reality, you are not supposed to think. Creepy. Next time, ask him about the scripture that says we need to keep testing whether these things are so. How could we do that if we are not thinking?

Oubliette

Elder Idiot: Well you shouldn't think brother. Thinking will never lead you anywhere good. Satan wants us to think and think and think. The slave AND Jehovah only asks us to obey. That's it. No need to think at all."

What a moron!

You handled that well. If you can manage to respond like that without the anger, you will have learned to handle it masterfully!

If the idiot elders and other JWs that parrot such nonsense could only hear themselves!!!

I wanted to punch this elder so bad!

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