by Sam Whiskey 469 Replies latest jw friends
Sam Whiskey:
We have as a society removed ourselves so far from God that we have lost our moral compass.
Then Sam brags that the USA is 73% "Christian"- a "Christian nation".
He fails to realize he nullified his own arguments. If the USA is 73% Christian yet is "so far from God that we have lost our moral compass", then his religion is a dismal failure and obviously is the core of the problem he complains about.
I Googled this issue and was pleased to see on the first page that opened up....... Band on the Run's page 4 comments. Finally a point of view that made sense.
Valedictorian speeches can be so inspiring and motivating for the students present. It's a chance to express your hopes for all present and the dreams you have moving into adulthood. To turn it into a religious speech is not only a jackass move, it's really unfair and wasteful.
unicorn - "Well, his circular logic certainly isn't helping. He's contradicted himself so many times. 'My religion is being repressed, but my religion is also in the majority so everyone should do what WE say' 'The secular world lacks a moral compass, but one day Christians are going to get pissed off and get our guns and force everyone to be as moral we are.' 'I believe in freedom of religion and the right to express your beliefs, but if you're Muslim, you can't read from the Koran in the good ole' US of A because we're a Christian nation.'"
This guy wears his cognitive dissonance on his sleeve; makes a hard-core JW look tame...
"StAnn: Ah, yes, practicing freedom of speech and freedom of religion, while we still have them, which won't be long. Good job, young man."
"Yes, the long war on Christianity. I pray that one day we may live in an America where Christians can worship freely! In broad daylight! Openly wearing the symbols of their religion... perhaps around their necks? And maybe -- dare I dream it? -- maybe one day there can be an openly Christian President. Or, perhaps, 44 of them. Consecutively." - Jon Stewart
Oh and by the way Sam Whiskey, saying that the United States is a Christian country is like saying that the United States is a white country, just because there are more caucasians in the United States than any other minority.
"StAnn: Ah, yes, practicing freedom of speech and freedom of religion, while we still have them, which won't be long.
Sam Whiskey:
I think the point from this young guy was that we (christians) are sick of being repressed. Everybody's got freedom of speech except for us
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Those poor, persecuted members of the Christian "underclass" in America. After Sam declared his 'victimization' at the hands of the "godless" American society, he then declared this little gem:
What I hadn't realized (until I looked up Wikipedia) is just how many of us are in fact Christians. I hadn't realized that 73% of the nation identifies itself as Christian.
Once Sam realized Christians were not voiceless victims in the minority, but are in fact the majority, he switched gears and became the bully:
Christians are not going to lie down and play dead just because it's the PC thing to do
Christians have gone along with the PC way of doing business, but I think they're getting tired of it.
the time for tolerance may be waning
When you're 73% of the population, you have a unique ability to "exert pressure" in ways the minority cannot
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“This is really the core point that Marvin, Sam Whiskey and others don't want to understand. Those students weren't attending a religious convention. So, for this Valedictorian to hijack the room to spout his personal religious opinions was rather disrespectful.”
Valedictorians are typically invited to speak because of what they have achieved academically. People want to hear what makes high-achievers tick.
When I listen to a top-achiever I’d rather he or she speak their mind, whatever that is. The idea that they can only say what less-than-top-achievers prefer they say ruins the entire idea.
“I wonder if Marvin, Sam and other would be so forgiving if this student had spoken about atheism, reinstituting human slavery in the USA, why pedophilia is not so bad, or what he thinks are the virtues of The Holocaust and Naziism? Since his "chutzpa" seems to be the most important consideration, not his subject matter, he should have been allowed to speak about those things with equal protection.”
Very smart people listen to perverts all the time in order to learn from them. Apparently you’re unaware of this.
That said, we’re not talking about listening to perverts. We’re talking about the speech of a valedictorian.
I don’t want to know what someone told a valedictorian he or she could say.
I want to know whatever a valedictorian has to say, whatever that is.
Marvin Shilmer
Marv-
You're as self-contradictory as Sam Whiskey. And totally missed my point.
Very smart people listen to perverts all the time in order to learn from them. Apparently you’re unaware of this.
That said, we’re not talking about listening to perverts. We’re talking about the speech of a valedictorian.
.... I want to know whatever a valedictorian has to say, whatever that is.
You verified what I, and others, have been saying. Since this man is a Valedictorian, if he spouted hateful, caustic, offensive speech, you'd listen to it...and expect everyone esle in the room to, in Sam's words, "suck it up".
