Valedictorian Rips Up Preapproved Speech, Recites Prayer Instead

by Sam Whiskey 469 Replies latest jw friends

  • still thinking
    still thinking

    Listening to a speech that is not owned by the speaker is a colossal waste of everyone’s time. It doesn’t matter the occasion...Marvin.

    I have to agree with that sentiment.

    And comparing it to someone standing up and saying they are a Jew hating Nazi pedophile is just ridiculous. He wasn't making a hate speech, or advocating something criminal. He was simply thanking his flavour of god.

    Delusional, I personally think so, but harmful. I don't think so.

    I can't say I would enjoy listening to his prayer. But then, I don't enjoy watching others try to silence him either.

  • Band on the Run
    Band on the Run

    Student rights to free speech in a school are limited. People here label under delusions. Do you think his closest friends want to hear his view? What if he stook up, threw away an approved speech, and announced that JWs are the only source of truth? What if he proclaimed that all short people are stupid and should be gassed to death? What if he mocks Jewish beliefs?

    A public school is not a public forum. The rules are complicated.

    He has a right to his views but being a valedictorian does not give him the right to a public platform to impose his views on others. What if every student, parents, citizen of a county, country, hemisphere, continent wanted to equally air their views. Notice that during presidential debates, only two candidates are present. There will usually be about thirty on a NY state ballot.

    What I don't understand is why the so-called "believers" feel they have rights more than other people. You do not. If he were so smart, he would have submitted his prayer for approval. What he did is a hallmark of a small mind and juvenile behavior. Thugs, Nazis, Klanspeople, Bolsheviks, Stalinists, Maoists impose their views on other. Why can't we live in a civil society.

    You don't have principles that are delineated in any way. If he was right, a mass murderer who is bright and earned good grades is right. Facts are important. Principles stand up when facts change. You invent what is appropriate to suit the moment. I personally don't care what you believe. Would anyone here or on the Internet be talking about this man if he did do something so junvenile that they should have pulled his diploma.

  • AndDontCallMeShirley
    AndDontCallMeShirley

    MS: We cannot learn what makes people tick by listening to speeches that are not their own.

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    His speech was not original, Marvin.

    In fact, it's over 2,000 years old- he stole it from Jesus Christ.

    Still Thinking: And comparing it to someone standing up and saying they are a Jew hating Nazi pedophile is just ridiculous. He wasn't making a hate speech, or advocating something criminal. He was simply thanking his flavour of god.

    I was illustrating absurdity by being absurd. Marvin Shilmer stated that he'd listen to anything a valedictorian had to say- and we also should listen and agree with it. I was simply asking Marvin how far he was willing to go with his claim. Marvin seems to believe that an academic has a license to say whatever they want to, wherever they want to, and us lesser intellectuals must listen in awe- even when the academic is hijacking the occasion to promote a personal agenda.

  • AndDontCallMeShirley
    AndDontCallMeShirley

    BOTR: People like you [Marvin Shilmer] strike me as ignorant in this matter. Your blogs show a keen, intelligent mind so I am confused.

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    Me too.

    Marvin- I've read a number of the articles you've posted on your blog. I've been impressed with your logic and lucid argumentation.

    I find it perplexing that you would become so utterly befuddled by the issue on this particular thread and cannot (or will not) see the absurdity of your position.

    I think you're better than that but for some illogical reason have decided to champion and untenable position.

  • Berengaria
    Berengaria

    Ignorant and pompous. Probably weaned on Bill O'Reilly.

  • return of parakeet
    return of parakeet

    That wasn't a prayer. That was a spit-in-your-face, I-know-I'm-right slam at anyone who didn't agree with him. I didn't see any of the teachers applauding.

    If there were such a thing as God, he would consider it blasphemous.

    Seventy-three percent of Americans are Christians and that fact gives them the right to impose their beliefs on others??? Some quality thinking there. The majority of people in WWII Germany were Christian, and they certainly took advantage of their "right" to eliminate the minority Jewish population. Might makes right, huh SW?

    By your reasoning SW, if you were to visit an Islamic country, they would have the right to force you to read the Quran, obey Islamic law, and profess belief in the Islamic God. Hey, that's a good idea! Why don't you go to Saudi Arabia, SW, and reap the benefits of your religious politics. I'm sure the Saudis would be glad to oblige.

  • still thinking
    still thinking

    Do you think his closest friends want to hear his view? What if he stook up, threw away an approved speech, and announced that JWs are the only source of truth? What if he proclaimed that all short people are stupid and should be gassed to death? What if he mocks Jewish beliefs?

    There's that straw man argument again.

    He didn't mock anyone...he didn't call anyone stupid. He didn't insult anyone or use hate speech...and if he stood up and said JW's are the only source of truth then .....LMAO!!!!!

    And I would think that his closest friends MIGHT want him to have the right to say thank you to whom ever he chooses in his speech...and if they didn't, they aren't really his closest friends are they? They may not agree with it. But they wouldn't try to prevent him making a dick of himslef...LOL

  • Unicorns
    Unicorns

    But he didn't just say 'thank you' to his God, he recited a whole prayer. There's a difference.

  • Giordano
    Giordano

    There was nothing original in what he had to say. If anything he did not sound like a Valedictorian he sounded like one of those teenage ministers who know the truth and by god you had better agree with him.

    If I had been sitting there listening to him dish out this mentally incompetent bull pucky my first thought would be what are they teaching in that school system? Did they not study the separation of state and church, did they not study history so he would understand why our constitution was written as it was?

    I guess it could have been worse he could have Tebowed the audience (Tim Tebow taking a knee in prayer after scoring a touchdown).

  • AndDontCallMeShirley
    AndDontCallMeShirley

    There was nothing original in what he had to say. If anything he did not sound like a Valedictorian he sounded like one of those teenage ministers who know the truth and by god you had better agree with him.

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    This is why I'm astounded at Sam Whiskey and Marvin Shilmer. They seem to think this guy is an awe-inspiring academic who came up with the most profound things ever said- and all of us should be impressed at his brilliance.

    He was about as unoriginal as a person can get- but the fundamentalists are swooning because he asserted his Christian beliefs to an unsuspecting captive audience.

    It takes so little to impress the easily impressionable.

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