payback? bitterly upset....

by losingit 48 Replies latest jw experiences

  • goatshapeddemon
    goatshapeddemon

    LosingIt, you're finding freedom. Welcome. I'm sorry for your troubles and hope this site helps you find rest.

    Your anger is natural and makes sense. Be careful though - as someone stated above, JWs love a custody battle and have attorneys at bethel who specialize in family court. That's all they do and they're often successful. Anything that comes across as too vindictive or "revenge" may backfire in court as they question your fitness as a parent. The more model a calm, collected parent you can be *without* trying to rejoin the religion, the more credibility you get. Trying to get reinstated only shows the secular courts that you still respect the JW judicial system - something you don't want.

  • new22day
    new22day

    Losing it. Wow - these are some tough times you're dealing with. I'm so sorry for you! Be kind to yourself right now and be proud too. From what I've read from all the wonderful people on this site, it takes real courage to learn TTATT and to face it. It also takes a lot of strength to parent while going through a divorce. Despite your troubles you sound very strong and I think you will come through this very well. Anger can be helpful during times like this -- use it as a motivator. I say don't waste your time getting reinstated. Be true to yourself and work on letting go. You might be amazed at what begins to come your way.

  • ruderedhead
    ruderedhead

    losingit, I'm so sorry for your pain. It will get better in time.

    Please don't seek revenge. It could come back to bite you in the butt if he fights for custody. Or it could cause him to decide to fight for cusody. They could say you are unstable, stalking people, who knows what baloney they could come up with. Continue your own counseling to help you and the children with the adjustments. It may also help you in figuring out why you felt you deserved what you have called an abusive relationship, so you don't repeat it.

    I believe that what you are doing now is probably a good thing in terms of going to some of the meetings. Don't rock the boat until the divorce is final. Fly under the radar. He can take them when he has them, but after you are divorced, you do not have to take them. You can save them from this religion, and the pain you are experiencing. For now, reading the Bible with them is a wonderful thing! and find a good attorney. Interview more than one, ask non- witnesses for references. Just do it QUIETLY, AND DON'T LET THE CHILDREN KNOW, SO THEY CANNOT CLUE DAD IN.

    Find your own way now. Figure out what it is you want to do. How do you want to support yourself? How can you achieve that? Take your time to figure it out. You will find new, true friends along the way. Can you do some volunteer work at your childrens school to fill some of the void you are feeling socially? Give yourself time to find your way back to normalcy, and know that there are many here who care,and will listen without judging. Much happiness to you.

  • BizzyBee
    BizzyBee

    God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change

    the courage to change the things I can

    and the wisdom to know the difference

    All that other stuff can get you into a lot of trouble you don't need.

  • Julia Orwell
    Julia Orwell

    Oh my, I'm so sorry about this! I don't know what to say. The human wreckage from this cult is piling up.

    I really hope you get to keep the kids. (((((((((hugs))))))))))))))))))))

  • StAnn
    StAnn

    I agree with some others here that getting reinstated and taking the children to the K-Hole is sending the children the message that the Jehovah's Witnesses are alright. They are not alright and their religion is not alright. It will not matter re: custody. If you have a negative file that's been following you around, the elders would probably side with your husband anyway. You don't have to talk against the cult, just don't expose them to it. Like the others have said, be a model mother and do nothing vindictive.

    I'm so sorry you have to go through this. You should consider counseling for yourself in part because of the cult but you may want to consider family counseling for you and the kids to help them cope with the separation and divorce.

  • return of parakeet
    return of parakeet

    Use your anger; don't let it use you. Use it to help you plan the best strategy you can to protect your children from the cult. If it means getting reinstated and then fading, that's one plan. Please, don't let your anger make you do anything that can be used against you. Those dubs are just itching for that to happen. Don't give them the satisfaction.

  • *lost*
    *lost*

    ROP use your anger don't let it use you.

    jw's are robotic, for years our emotions were suppressed to control us.

    Anger is a much needed force of energy n our lives, but it has to be controlled, it is what gives you the strength, it is what will prople you

    forwards and get you through this. You are going to need all the strength you can muster, it is going to drain you, it is going to get worse, you feel bad now, it's nothing to what lies ahead if you don't play this game right.

    and that is how you view it, game of life and you either want to win and survive, or your going to wishy washy, and get destroyed.

    i'm not going to molly coddle you, no, why, it won't do you any service.

    yes you need help, you need love, you need support, you will get that from all the mighty fine people here, who will do all they can to help you.

    But you got to help yourself first. So don't think I am being harsh. I'm telling you reality of life, not bulsshit, this is a very high stakes game.

    Your life is at stake, your kids lives are at stake. You got to be like a soldier girl, 'man up' it's a rough ride.

    You can tell me to piss off, I don't care, but I will not pretend, it's no use pretending.

    I wasted 20yrs of my life on a man I loved, (non jw) sacrificed my life, literally. It nearly killed me, nearly lost my kids for ever, have a son who 'shuns' me, not even jw.

    My family, non jw, don't get me started, lol, no help, I lost my kids, had a breakdown, wandered the streets like a stray dog, watched my mum, my only hope, die of cancer, met a wonderful man, sent to me I belileve to 'save me'.

    I have my girls, at a very heavy price, they have suffered much, watching them suffer alone was torture. ( at least we have the rest of our lives salvalged form this shitty situation we found ourselves in. I blame myself, for being 'a good wife'.

    I have spent the last 2 yrs rebuilding and fighting for my kids, this man who professed to love me soooooooo much, turned into the devil himself and has pulled some stunts., I have been dragged through the guttter and torured by the very man who was supposed to love and protect me. And the ride aint over yet, not by a long shot.

    You got to box up all the jw stuff, put it far away from you and your precious children, and cleanse your brain.

    You don't say how old the kids are ?

    You don't say if he is fighting you for custody to take the kids ?

    This is about survival now, yours and your children.

    Can you get away anywhere, go stay with anyone, take kids on a cheap holiday, anything to 'breathe'.

    As long as you put that man first, and keep kidding yourself, he is going to control you and drag you down.

    Your not responsible for his relationship with the kids, leave him off, work on your plan. don't let guilt and mixed emotions rule you.

    Prevention is better than cure my dear. Don't be passive with the jw's or elders or your husband or anyone else, don't be aggressive, be assertive, be strong, smile and stand tall. When your on the floor, there is only one way to go, and that is up, or else stay down and die. It's that harsh, sorry, but true. you got to fight now. You got to be like momma bear.

    x

  • sarahsmile
    sarahsmile

    Losingit, I hope I did not add more stress when your seeking answers.

    Divorce is hard enough, and it is obvious that You are a very strong woman. Someone who joined the JW for the sake of your marriage really says your love for your husband and family life.

    Reinstatement, that might help while your going through child custody. At least until your divorce is over. Not too sure how you will cope consideing it sometimes takes years and elders play lots of head games.

    My personal experience, I wish that I would have left the borg and never looked back. Instead I dragged out years of elders meetings and was used as a role model for children. A role model: look at her dfd make sure you do not end up like her. blah,blah,blah.

    In the real world I was a role model for women who suffered from all kinds of issues such as divorcement,abuse, children neglect, and etc,. Going thru changes hurts and counselling helps.

    Also, I wished my parents never raised me as a JW and focused on my education. As parents it was their duties to train children that education does not stop at high school. As Christians, that was there obligations for my future. Instead of focusing on education they focued on bibical concepts like 1914,evolution,Gods name, soul,and Armageddon. I did get a higher education with the Theocratic Minstry School. Later, as an adult a college education.

    I mentioned therapy because it is a good thing! Some towns have support groups to help women help other women. They really could help you with your the stress of divorce. You might find a local exjw group to help you with your reinstatement. JW-Net is a really good site I have been here off and on for years but it is not the same as a group.

    Men! you really wonder what they are thinking! Some men need that structure of the JW are they just fall a part. In your case, You helped him and you loved him even becoming a JW for him. Err, men! just being a woman and venting. To be honest with you:

    You and your husband sound young and in love, am I right? At one time.There is a big problem with the Jehovahs Witnesses they neglect helping young couples. What happens with young in love married couples? Tell me if I am wrong. Elders do not know how to deal with teaching couples to keep the love for each other after one sin aganst the other. I say, "throw the bath water out and keep the baby." Elders just here the problems and judge unfit for the congregation safety.

    There is no doubt with the right therapy and help you would probably still be married. I do not care who did what! It does not matter because if YOU talked with any older couple you will find a lot of marriages have gone through horrible problems. Adultry, drugs, pornography, partying,affairs.Some times i wonder if the husband is just as hurt and confused but reacting in his own way. Granted he is not calling, and that might be how he is handling things right now. Granted you wish you could get him away from the cult. Yes I here you are both dfd and he is not going. I can assume he is doing his own thing and your going to meetings.

    Years from now both of you will look back and wish you handled things different. Wished you had a mature couple you can work these problems out with. The elders should suggest marriage counseling but they have too many people they are trying to help. Anyhow, look in the Wt I am sure there is in article that states some times couples can seek marriage counselling or therapy. Yet did any elder show you the correct WT. They should be prepared wih a list of counselors.

    If your husband was an excellent father before the problems and you helped him. Perhaps I am wrong but he can get back on track.

    Anyhow, sorry I am prying.

    Divorce is sad and the elders were in the wrong by not spending enough time helping people.

    Worst case, Hope you can work out your mutual child custody. Some one already posted child custody agreement.

    I am just mad at the elders with you!

    Also, they do Mark individuals and it followes you from KH to KH.

    You do reaize that only the orginal elders are to know why you got disfellowshipped.

    Again hope I did not cause you more stress.

  • sarahsmile
    sarahsmile

    Lost is telling you how it is!

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