Prayers that God answers. Any examples? (page 14)

AndDontCallMeShirley

Then turned it into a pioneer story, i have seen it before

Could be. I've seen some ridiculous situations turned into "exemplary" experiences.

AndDontCallMeShirley

JB:

That is an obvious answer to prayer a longer and better life.

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Tantalizing...but not true. Longevity has nothing to do with religion or god answering prayers. Read the entire article, it's quite fascinating. Here's an excerpt:

"When we compare people living in the same country, religious people enjoy a health advantage if they are part of a large majority, as is true of the U.S. That advantage disappears if religious people are in the minority.

Why? One plausible reason that non religious people in the U.S. have worse health is that they are largely excluded from participation in politics, and find that they have less of a role to play in their local communities because religious people consider them unworthy. One key reason for this is that churches play a central role in organizing charities and civic organizations.

In predominantly secular countries, community involvement is very high (6) so that atheists are much more active in their communities than they would be in a comparatively religious country such as the U.S. Instead of feeling like second class citizens the non religious are fully integrated in their communities with all of the health advantages this brings. So what had looked like advantages of religion could be simply an advantage of being in the mainstream.

In the U.S. some health researchers are fond of giving religion the credit for boosting life expectancy. Yet, despite being a nation with a large religious majority, Americans have much lower life expectancy than is enjoyed by secular countries at a similar level of economic development such as Japan and Sweden. Evidently, the lower quality of life here both provides a market for religion and reduces life expectancy.

From that perspective, it seems bizarre that health researchers would be so keen to tout the alleged health advantages of religion (2). If religion really promoted longevity, how could people have such short life expectancy in sub-Saharan Africa where virtually everyone is deeply religious?"

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-human-beast/201302/do-religious-people-live-longer

James Brown

God doesnt heal amputees is true.

That doesn't mean prayer doesnt work.

You can't pray for the impossible and expect an answer in this dimension.

I would suspect the amputees prayers are answered in the next dimension.

Prayer can be a mental anchor, a focus point to keep one on task

and moving in the directon of their goals.

You could probably accomplish the same thing without involving God, but then

you would fall into the catergory of being non religious and fall into the category

of those who live 8 years less than those who believe and pray.

Of course individually you can fall higher or lower than your respective average.

punkofnice

ADCMS -

This JW fails to realize that if HE didn't do all the work by himself and make all the sacrifices himself, he'd still be a mortgage banker

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Now whatever he is, it rhymes with ''banker''.

God has weird priorities if he exists.

Personally I go with the jug of milk analogy when it comes to prayer.

You see, that's what is sobering about critical thinking........it removes all the fairy tale element from life.

I watched 'Not the 9 o'clock News' repeat with Rowan Atkinson (Mr Bentos) as a member of an audience where Mel Smith was a clergyman.

He asked the clergyman why god allowed him to cut his finger on the tin of cat food when a murderer doesn't even get a crease in his trousers whilst hacking his wife to death with a meat cleaver. Bloomin' hilarious.

AndDontCallMeShirley

You can't pray for the impossible and expect an answer in this dimension.

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I thought with God "all things are possible".

So much for faith the size of a mustard grain being able to transfer a mountain from here to there.

tec argued using the same" logic": all prayers are answered... a person just may not ever see a tangible result.

Uh huh.

It's a classic no-lose argument: prayer ALWAYS works. When it obviously doesn't, it still did...just not in a demonstrable way.

James Brown

Ok Shirley.

I am quoting mainstream introductory science that every student has to consider.

And now you are posting contradictroy or supplementary evidence.

I see your point.

The information I posted is reflecting United States data.

And there are a lot of things that are involved in being religious, not just prayer.

People that are optomistic about the future have healthier immune systems than

those who are pessimistic about the future.

I don't see how atheist can be optomistic about the long term future.

My information is not from a religious source it is from a college Psychology today 101 text book.

A book that all scientist will have to study and accept or contest before moving on in their

scientific education. They will have to study this in their first 2 years of college.

I do understand you are presenting the other side to the textbooks point.

And everything in life has another side.

And ultimately we believe what we want to believe.

punkofnice

JB -

You can't pray for the impossible and expect an answer in this dimension.

Oh, dagnabbit.

When you say about other dimensions, where are you getting this information from? I.E. How do you know there are other dimensions?

I don't see how atheist can be optomistic about the long term future.

Just because one can't see it from their standpoint doesn't mean it isn't true.

Since becoming a non believer who will live 8 years less (unless some of the time I prayed acts as credit), life is much more prescious because it's all we have.

I no longer rely on some psychotic burk in the sky to put all my troubles right. That's down to me to pull my socks up and take responsibility for myself and those around me.

James Brown

You can't pray for the impossible and expect an answer in this dimension.

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I thought with God "all things are possible".

Shirley, I went through a period from the age of 40 to 50 of taking your current stand,

and arguing with Christian coworkers.

If you want to use that argument that all things are not possible with God.

You win, case closed.

I finally realized the bible is an anvil that has worn out many hammers.

For the atheist or non believer to enjoy the benefits of prayer, I guess you could

use positve affirmations, and leave God out of it. The principals are what work.

I have lived my life and gotten everything I want or am going to get.

If I had to do it all over again and wanted to leave God out of the picture

then I guess the way to do it would be to make out a list of what you want

and look at it everyday.

Then make a plan of how to get it and follow it everyday.

You have to become a guided missle for your desires.

Comatose

That's why many sports stars use prayer. Prayer galvanizes you just like goals and working toward them. I read an interesting book on Fear and it mentioned that people who pray are more successful. Interestingly, it doesn't matter if you pray to a Christian god, its just the act of prayer and believing in a higher power. I would imagine thinking a higher power is fighting for you is powerful.

James Brown

JB -

You can't pray for the impossible and expect an answer in this dimension.

Oh, dagnabbit.

When you say about other dimensions, where are you getting this information from? I.E. How do you know there are other dimensions?

For one thing you can not get everything you want in this dimension. That is a fact.

If there are other dimensions quantum physics would explain what science today knows about them.

If there are no other dimensions and this life is all there is. There is still evidence that prayer and a Godly

life has rewards.

I don't see how atheist can be optomistic about the long term future.

Just because one can't see it from their standpoint doesn't mean it isn't true.

Since becoming a non believer who will live 8 years less (unless some of the time I prayed acts as credit), life is much more prescious because it's all we have.

I no longer rely on some psychotic burk in the sky to put all my troubles right. That's down to me to pull my socks up and take responsibility for myself and those around me.

It is good you don't look to God to make all your troubles right. God helps those who help themselves.

The scientific evidence for longer life of believers has to do with imporved imune system and living a biblical

life which is less taxing to the imune system ie not smoking, less drinking, alcoholism, Social behaviors.

Married people live longer than non married people.

Prayers that God answers. Any examples?

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