Prayers that God answers. Any examples? (page 16)

humbled

I saw this man in 1984 or 1985.

Google "Is Fr. Ralph Diorio legit?" It's the experiences of people who sought divine healing.

James Brown

I'm studying my college text books to get a degree and when I get tired of reading I look at the computer for a minute.

And I come to this site a lot. And this topic tied in with what I read. so I posted it.

Something I had relevant, current, reference able information for. So your saying there is another side to the coin.

There is another side to every coin.

But people don't have to study psychology today to get a bachelors degree,

they have to study psychology 101 to get a bachelors degree and a masters degree.

So if and when the pop psychology gets into the textbooks, tomorrows scientist will study it.

The article I posted does not disagree with the information you presented. You've cherry-picked the information you presented to arrive at a biased result. Taken in context, my information agrees with your textbook. By your own admission you didn't even bother reading the article I presented so you cannot legitimately disregard it as irrelevant or unscientific. At least you were honest about choosing to disregard source material that may expose your position as untenable.

Here's a couple of PhD's from Columbia University who published their findings on the claimed corollary between religion and health. Since you are currently a student, can I rightly assume you do not have a PhD?

This study was published in Psychology Today but hopefully your personal bias will not obsfucate objective consideration on your part. Unless you are going to claim these are just "pop" PhDs and ignore them as well. Here is one small excerpt from the study's conclusion. :

www.uic.edu/classes/psych/Health/Readings/Sloan

Claims About Religious Involvement and Health Outcomes

Richard P. Sloan, Ph.D. Columbia-Presbyterian Medical Center; Department of Psychiatry, Columbia University; and New York State Psychiatric Institute

Emilia Bagiella, Ph.D. Mailman School of Public Health Columbia University

To conclude, it is indeed true that there are many studies in which religious variables and health outcomes appear together. It is not true, however, that most of these studies are relevant to putative health benefits deriving from religious involvement. In fact, most are irrelevant to this claim. Among those that are relevant, two general problems arise: methodological deficiencies of the studies themselves and inaccurate accountsappearing insecondary sources. Examination of these studies in the area of heart disease and hypertension revealed that there is little empirical support for claims of health benefits deriving from religious involvement. To suggest other- wise is inconsistent with the literature.

AndDontCallMeShirley

humbled:

Google "Is Fr. Ralph Diorio legit?" It's the experiences of people who sought divine healing.

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Nice try "humbled".

Going to a Catholic website inhabited by Catholics posting anecdotal information about a Catholic priest doing miraculous healing is nonsense. These are people hopelessly infatuated with finding miracles in everything.

I do not accept information as legitimate or objective from people who see the image of Christ in a grilled cheese sandwich and the Virgin Mary in a spaghetti sauce stain.

James Brown

I read your material. I still say its pop psychology. I will stick with the established mainstream

peer reviewed published science.

Once again from Psycholgy today 101 test book 8th eddition by David Myers page 573

Chapter on stress and health. pp2 To contest your pop Psychology article

"Is there fire underneath all this smoke? More than a thousand studies have sought to

correlate the faith factor with health and healing. For example, Jeremy Kark and his

colleagues (1996) compared the death rates for 3900 Israelis either in one of 11

religiously orthodox or in one of 11 matched, nonreligious collective settlements

(kitbutz communities).

The researchers reported that over a 16-year period,

"belonging to a religious collective was associated with a strong protective effect

not explained by age or economic differences. In every age group, religious

community membrs were about half as likely to have died as were their

nonrelgious counterparts. This is roughly comparable to the gender difference in

mortality." end of quotation

I am giving you the references from the state of the art 2008 United States Science.

I am not cherry picking.

The text book does allude to the fact that religious belief does not cure aids or cancer

or heart disease. Religious belief tends to circumvent these maladies by a relgious life style.

And hence a longer life span.

cofty

Even if you are right JB - the extra 8 years is the last 8 when you can't do anything "unchristian" anymore anyway.

So still no answered prayers then.

AndDontCallMeShirley

JB: I read your material. I still say its pop psychology. I will stick with the established mainstream peer reviewed published science.

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It's not my material. It's a comprehensive study published and peer-reveiwed by two Columbia University PhDs.

I'm positive "Psychology 101" by David Myers discusses the scientific method? Tell me how your ignorant, myopic approach fits into that methodology.

I sure hope for your sake Myers' book is never quoted in "Psychology Today". Under your rules it will instantly become "pop" science and you'll have to go find another singular source to base your biased and sweeping false conclusions on.

JB:

I still say its pop psychology

Your opinions rule the day, JB. How convenient to dismiss science and the studies of Columbia University PhDs to keep your head buried in the sand. Good luck with getting a degree.

By the way, do you believe the earth is flat ?

James Brown

I dont think you have been to school Shirley or know anything about it.

Have a nice day.

AndDontCallMeShirley

The text book does allude to the fact that religious belief does not cure aids or cancer

or heart disease. Religious belief tends to circumvent these maladies by a relgious life style.

And hence a longer life span.

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Religion is still a non-factor.

An atheist could follow a "religious life style" and enjoy exactly the same results as his religious counter-parts.

Fail!

You are a one-trick pony, JB. You reference only one book and use it as your singular authority, cherry-pick the information, then come here pretending to be a pundit.

Remember- you are still a student.

AndDontCallMeShirley

JB:

I dont think you have been to school Shirley or know anything about it. Have a nice day.

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Oh boy! I'll never recover from that one.

Typical of someone who makes wild assertions then, when questioned, cannot substantiate their claims with evidence.

Throw out an ad hominem jab then run for the door.

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