Oops I did it again. Another mistake

by KariOtt 39 Replies latest jw friends

  • adamah
    adamah

    Apostasy
    Apostasy is a standing away from, a falling away, defection, rebellion, abandonment ; it involves teaching false doctrines, supporting or promoting false religion and its holidays or interfaith activities.

    I dare say that would include buying one's wife a cross as an anniversary gift, too?

    Like Lisa said, you're going to both have to be willing to make concessions if you expect an interfaith marriage to work (jgnat can provide real-life accounts of that).

    Adam

  • KariOtt
    KariOtt

    I'm the one who left the bedroom. Since he wouldn't shut up about the whole mess.

  • KariOtt
    KariOtt

    No he is not physically abusive. Not yet.

  • Scully
    Scully

    This is a list that I use at work in situations where I suspect a patient might be in an abusive relationship. Take from it what you will, take note of the points that apply.

    The Eight Types of Abuse

    These lists of abuse are based on one made by men who were describing how they controlled or harmed their wives or girlfriends. Remember, a single act may not be abuse. But if someone is doing something to harm or control you ... then, YES, it is abuse. You have the right to be treated with respect and to feel safe in your home.

    * Indicates acts which are clearly criminal, or may be criminal depending on the circumstances.

    Emotional/Psychological/Verbal Abuse

    • making her do illegal things*
    • false accusations
    • name calling, finding fault
    • yelling
    • intimidation
    • making her think she's crazy or stupid
    • overpowering her emotions
    • disbelieving her
    • bringing up old issues
    • inappropriate expressions of jealousy
    • degrading her
    • turning a situation against her
    • brainwashing her
    • laughing in her face
    • silence
    • refusing to do things with or for her
    • insisting on always getting his own way
    • pressuring her
    • neglecting her
    • expecting her to conform to a role
    • real or suggested involvement with other women
    • making her feel guilty
    • certain mannerisms (eg, snapping fingers, pointing)
    • threatening to get drunk or stoned unless ...
    • manipulating her
    • starting arguments
    • withholding affection
    • not sharing in household chores as punishment
    • never really forgiving, holding grudges
    • lying
    • treating her as a child
    • having a double standard for her
    • saying one thing, meaning another
    • denying or taking away her responsibilities
    • not keeping commitments
    • threatening her with loss of immigration status
    • deliberately creating a mess for her to clean up
    • threatening to report her to the authorities
    • making her drop charges
    • telling woman-hating jokes
    • minimizing her work or contribution
    • pressuring her to stay around during drug or alcohol abuse
    • not coming home
    • displaying woman-hating or violent pictures
    • egging her on, challenging her to physical violence
    • coming home drunk or stoned
    • friendship or support of men who are abusive
    • demanding an accounting of her time/routine
    • taking advantage of her fear of something
    • ridiculing her preference in foods
    • threatening suicide unless ...

    Emotional abuse around reproduction, pregnancy and childbirth

    • refusing to allow or forcing her to use contraception
    • forcing her to have an abortion
    • refusing sex on the grounds that her pregnant body is ugly
    • denial that the child is his
    • refusing to support her during the pregnancy
    • refusing to support her during the birth
    • denying her access to her newborn child
    • not supporting her or helping out after she comes home with the baby
    • demanding sex after childbirth
    • blaming her because the infant is the "wrong" sex
    • refusing to allow her to breastfeed
    • pouting, sulking or making her feel bad for time spent with the baby

    Environmental Abuse

    In the home

    • harming pets*
    • ripping clothing*
    • locking her in or out*
    • throwing away or destroying her possessions*
    • slamming doors
    • throwing objects, food
    • taking the phones or denying her use of the phones
    • punching walls
    • mowing over her garden

    In the vehicle

    • driving too fast*
    • driving recklessly, pounding the steering wheel*
    • driving while intoxicated*
    • forcing her into a vehicle*
    • pushing her out of a vehicle when it's in motion*
    • threatening to kill her by driving off a bridge, into and oncoming car, etc.*
    • chasing or hitting her with a vehicle*
    • killing her in a deliberate accident*
    • prohibiting her from using a vehicle by tampering with the engine, chaining the steering wheel, taking the keys, etc.
    • putting his foot over hers on the gas pedal
    • hitting her while she's driving
    • grabbing the steering wheel while she's driving

    Social Abuse

    • controlling what she does, who she sees, who she talks to, what she reads, where she goes
    • not passing on messages
    • put downs or ignoring her in public
    • not allowing her access to family or friends
    • interfering with her family or friends
    • change of personality with others
    • being rude to her friends or relatives
    • dictating her mode of dress
    • dictating her behaviour
    • habitually choosing friends, activities or work rather than being with her
    • making a "scene" in public
    • making her account for herself
    • censoring her mail
    • treating her like a servant
    • not giving her space or privacy
    • insisting on accompanying her into the doctor's office

    Using children

    • assaulting her in front of the children*
    • initiating false child abuse charges against her
    • making her stay at home with the children
    • teaching children to abuse mother through name calling, hitting, etc.
    • embarrassing her in front of the children
    • not sharing responsibility for the children
    • threatening to abduct the children or telling her she'll never get custody
    • putting down her parenting ability

    During separation or divorce

    • buying the children with expensive gifts
    • not showing up on time to pick up children or not having them back on time
    • pumping children for information about boyfriends, etc.
    • telling children that Mom is responsible for breaking up the family
    • using children to transport messages (sending notes home to Mom in their suitcases)
    • denying her access to the children
    • not giving a valid phone number

    Financial abuse

    • taking her money*
    • forging her name*
    • giving her false receipts
    • cancelling her insurance
    • sabotaging her efforts to attain economic freedom
    • withholding money
    • spending money foolishly or beyond means
    • pressuring her to take full responsibility for finances
    • not paying fair share of bills
    • not spending money on special occasions (birthdays, etc.)
    • spending on addictions, gambling, sexual services
    • pressuring or controlling her working conditions
    • preventing her from taking a job

    Ritual abuse

    • mutiliation*
    • animal mutilation*
    • forced cannibalism*
    • human sacrifices*
    • suggesting or promoting suicide
    • forcing her to participate in rituals
    • forcing her to witness rituals

    Physical abuse

    • any unwanted physical contact*
    • kicking, punching or pinching her*
    • pulling or pushing her*
    • slapping, hitting or shaking her*
    • cutting or burning her*
    • pulling her hair*
    • head butting*
    • squeezing her hand or twisting her arm*
    • choking or smothering her*
    • force feeding her*
    • spitting on her*
    • throwing her*
    • throwing things at her*
    • hitting her with objects or whipping her*
    • restraining her in any way*
    • tying her up*
    • urinating on her*
    • breaking her bones*
    • knifing or shooting her, murder*
    • threatening to kill or injure her*
    • ignoring her illness or injury
    • denying or restricting her food or drink
    • pressuring or tricking her into alcohol or drug use
    • standing too close/intimidating her
    • hiding or withholding necessary medication

    Sexual abuse

    • any unwanted sexual contact*
    • forcing her to have sex, hounding her to have sex*
    • forcing her to have sex with others*
    • forcing her to have sex with animals*
    • uttering threats to obtain sex*
    • pinching, slapping, grabbing or poking her breasts or genitals*
    • forcing sex when she's sick, after childbirth or surgery*
    • sleeping around
    • knowingly transmitting sexual diseases
    • treating her as a sex object
    • being rough
    • pressuring her to pose for pornographic photos
    • displaying pornography that makes her feel uncomfortable
    • using sex as a basis for an argument
    • using sex as a solution for an argument
    • criticizing her sexual ability
    • unwanted fondling in public
    • purposely not washing and expecting sex
    • name calling (whore, slut, frigid, bitch)
    • accusations of affairs
    • degrading her body parts
    • sexual jokes
    • sexual comments in public
    • demanding sex for alcohol or drugs
    • demanding sex as payment or trade
    • administering drugs or alcohol for sexual advantage
    • insisting on checking her body for sexual contact

    Religious abuse

    • using religion to justify abuse or dominance
    • using church position to pressure for sex or favours
    • using her, then demanding forgiveness
    • giving higher priority to religion and religious activities above family or couple activities
    • excessive spending on religion
    • interpreting religion to his advantage and/or her disadvantage
    • preventing her from attending church
    • requiring sex acts or drug use as religious acts
    • mocking her beliefs
  • perfect1
    perfect1

    Wow Scully, what an exhaustive list.

    Unfortunately I have experienced a few of thoes thing.

    Ms. Ott, I wish you the best, but it doesnt sound like this is going well for you. try to become financially independet, get a job or a skill in case this doesnt work out.

  • laverite
    laverite

    Why do you no longer have a facebook account? Your decision or something your hubby wanted?

  • Comatose
    Comatose

    Listen girl. Reopen that Facebook account pronto. if you closed it on your own that's a mistake. Delete your SIL comments and block her. If she doesn't like it tough! If he deleted it, he is a moron. You are a grown woman. If you want an online account it is your choice. You need to set some boundaries. He CANNOT delete YOUR account. That is just dumb. Hang in there!

  • problemaddict
    problemaddict

    Kari,

    He is right....it is a disfellowshipping offense. IF you are baptized. If you left the room because he wouldn't shut up about it, it just seems like a fight. You guys are going to need to find a way to coexist. He isn't (or doesnt' for now), feel like you do, and you want to be able to go to your new church. So you guys are going to have to make peace with each others choices. You included.

    You can catch more flys with honey than vinegar. You aren't going to get far by telling him his religion is bunk and then arguing with him.

  • The Searcher
    The Searcher

    KARIOTT - When an appropriate time affords it, ask your husband for his opinion on baptism - why do we do it?

    Listen to what he says is the reason, and then open your Bible at Acts 2:38, and explain to him exactly why you got baptized!

    Gently point out that you did not sign up to an organization, religion, or any crusade - you simply followed the Scriptural counsel which shows how you can become reconciled with your Heavenly Father, through Christ's sin-atoning sacrifice - nothing more!

    He cannot deny the Scriptural reason for baptism - and it may get him to question why other conditions are being added to it by some!

    My best wishes to you for a satisfying outcome.

  • Finkelstein
    Finkelstein

    One thing you'll take notice within situations like this is that ingrained devoted JWS will lie and deceive when something

    comes up that darkens or taints the image of the organization (WTS), they have been told to actual lie when appropriate given

    certain circumstances.

    All part of the indoctrination process of becoming a JWS.

    Fact : the JW organization is a very high controlling religious cult.

    Most likely construed since it was created by deviously concocted doctrines by a publishing house.

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