This governing body 2.0 will come out with a convoluted Elijah/Elisha modern day application to justify the overlapping generation fudge.
You heard it hear first folks.
(I'll be hugely surprised if they don't)
The reason behind why the ex-JW community can never match Jehovah's Witnesses' success.
by Stand for Pure Worship 187 Replies latest jw friends
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jgnat
Well if it's spiritual battle, the Salvation Army has the WTS beat on that score. So...do you see the Kingdom Hall as spritually embattled, or a sanctuary of love and acceptance?
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factfinder
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Finkelstein
Leaving_quietly last post adds more to the reason some ex-jws are here and that as to offer a public warning to veritable dangerous
social elements of this high controlling and corrupt religious cult.
Call it an act of humanitarianism.
Fortunately with the public access to information from places such as the inter-net, people can see for themselves
" The Truth about The Truth " .
Investigate for yourself on some the most prominent doctrines of the WTS/JWS to see for yourself the corruption that exists
in this religious publishing house.
We will actually help you SFPW if you simply ask.
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snare&racket
THEY MAKE THEIR MONEY BY FORCING CONGREGATIONS TO HAVE REFURBISHMENTS AND BUILDS THEY DONT NEED!
PURCHASING MATERIALS AND PLANS AND TAKING LOANS FROM WATCHTOWER, I.E. TRANSFERING THEIR ACCOUNTS TO THEM, THEY ALSO HAND OVER THE BUILDING TO WT AT THE SAME TIME.LOOK AT YOUR OWN CONGREGATION, LOOK AT THE GROWTH IN YOUR HALL..... IF THEY AE BUILDING 5 HALLS A DAY WHICH AFTER 7 YEARS IN AN RBC I VERY, VERY, VERY, VERY, VERY, VERY MUCH DOUBT, THE HALLS ARE NOT ****NEW***** CONGREGATIONS..... JUST NEW HALLS WHICH MEANS NOTHING AT ALL !!!!
Look at the numbers you are using and look at the JW world around you.... it doesn't take a rocket scientist to realise the numbers do not at all add up.
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Bella15
OMG ... is this person serious? I really think he is just pulling a leg here. Besides following the business model of the corporation, the Watchtower follows the Ford model of selling cars to its own employees. Most of the WT CORPORATION literature is consumed/bough by its members.
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Finkelstein
The EX-JWS community can never build a billion dollar real estate empire like the WTS. has for they simply are too
honest and seek not a penny from anyone.
This handing over of the title properties of Kingdom Halls to the WTS. is even bigger of a scam hidden away from the noticeable doctrinal scams.
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anonymouz
Actually the statistical illusion used by the GB who have now stumbled maybe twice as many or more people then there are JWs indicates a steady decline in a period that should be 2 and 3 times the current nearly negative growth rate.
That means hidden in the trends and actual numbers is a "board of directors" that has reduced the JW corporate "market share" by 10% in just 37 years of oversight. And they say nothing about the actual ominous trend, instead they pop out figures that in themselves seem impressive until one knows the relative proportion of decline is even greater.
Now JWs in organized fashion globally, stumble more people everyday than are "brought into the truth", the org has the highest turnover and poorest retention rates of all world religions. That lost 10% of growth, is now growth of those stumbled ones.
The Bethel criminal activities in spiritual dimensions increasing in proportion to the JW decline is the answer to this noted plummet in JW growth and retention. It is apparent in dubious alliances, financial partnerships and methods, in policies and stumbling tactics of waffling and many other things that now "pile up clear to heaven" as Bethel surpasses other religions in actually troubling people, creating outcry and turning more people away from God than to Him. (2Pet2:1-3; 2Thess2:1-4).
JWs are fooled by the relative numbers and a lot of high- falootin claims to the contrary to tickle JWs ears regularly, but the numbers and trends do not lie in raw form over 60 years of WT trends under 40 years GB dictatorial power of the noted declination. (Hag1; Mal1-2). It is so striking a decline and reproach you wonder why the GB says nothing, it is as if they are doing it on purpose, running the JW org into the ground, and positioning the assets for later absorption into the legal conduits ultimately out of WT control, and burying the JW ministry in reproach on exit.
A thing like the UN NGO itself in a decade has to have stumbled 4 million people conservatively, maybe more, worldwide. And somehow JWs feel OK with those numbers on the Bethel tab, not to mention the blowback from the icy shunning policy and the pedophile support and procurement congregational atmosphere of encouraged and protected sexually predatory activity; worldwide. It's like a Bethel produced free predator sex safari to all points of planet earth.It does not take a wiseman or prophet to understand the hidden lawlessness in worldwide congregations exacerbated and exemplified by core Bethel brazen abuses is far far worse than has already been exposed in just the sexual abuse of children and other deviant behavior from core congregational leaders, not to mention freelancers. The worst leaven is hidden in the JW worldwide congregational system with more serious sins.
If God did arrive on the JW scene, it would be to raze the JW organization for the reproach on him, not to deliver JWs to any paradise current conditions have turned into a form of spiritual hell fueled by the lawless incorrigibility of the Governing Body, Bethel and WTS elites who have lost all actual moral and scriptural compass, and merely cover up the abuses with parroted dialogue and therapeutic echoes of a JW past that is long gone. (Eze3:20);
JWs are in a severe illusion that gradually spread in three decades of intensified GB corruption to today's terminal systemic proportion. (Rev8:10-11; 2Thess2:3; Zech3:1-3). JWs are the frog in hot water now, too late to simply reverse this trend of sins and abuses guided by upper management, it appears it is preliminary judgment time soon for the JW org "house". (1Pet4:14; Dan8:13-14).Things are not as peachy as JWs think they are with God, or their GB dictatorship's actual spiritual reality shown in the world known record of stumbling developments, now beyond any religion on earth. (Isa1-5). It is JWs who are now in apostasy and Bethel who is now really the main "X-JW" system leaders. (Dan11:32a). The non-biblical secular originating GB is the main culprit of organized corruption, it is obvious in numbers and evidence.
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nugget
The ex JW community is a diverse group with diverse goals. There is no single entity with a single goal and therefore it is a falcious argument to compare all of us with an organisation.
The question also assumes that the JW organisation has been successful. I would argue that whilst it is accomplished at controlling the flock and raising money it is less successful at looking after the flock and preparing them for life. It keeps it members so closely contolled that they are emotional and social outcasts unable to care for themselves financially. They have successfully brought misery to families by putting loyalty to themselves ahead of family relationships. As a religion it has a responsibility to make life better for it's adherants and be a source of spiritual refreshment in the wider world. I cannot see how this has been accomplished by them so no they have not been successful.
What I can say from my personnal experience of the ex JW community is that we appreciate what it means to exit this cult and do try to support one another. What is lovely is that people can hold diverse opinions and these can be challenged. The ex JW community is more successful than the organisation in freeing the person to think, challenge and disagree with others, to be prepared to debate and present evidence. There is much appreciation for others here, sometimes some intolerance but we are able to work it out after all it is a shock to discover an ego and a sense of self.
I am truly sorry for the OP I hope that the responses here help them to reflect on their very judgemental conclusions.
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SanLuisObispoTruthSeeker
Your past mistakes are not a huge sin against God, it's your view of claiming to have Jehovah's Holy Spirt to explain the New Light the Governing Body sends your way. I do confess, the magazine about the righteous ones losing their standing before Jehovah is a doosy for anyone to understand. JW Apologist are sending emails containing a watered-down version of July's Power Grab, the elders reading those emails are still trying to put their heads around that explanation. Your better off trying to handle a live fifty-pound Yellow-tail Tuna on a ship getting pounded by the Sea. Once you solve this dilemma, please explain how your men came up with the New Light with a Bible Based explanation.