I Am No Longer an Atheist

by OnTheWayOut 171 Replies latest members adult

  • adamah
    adamah

    TEC said this (in passing)-

    (other than that you would not agree that God or Christ could warn people to get out of harms way, if they knew how to listen to Him)

    Correct me if I'm wrong (it's hard to follow your thoughts thru all the double-negatives and after you fail to quote what you're responding to), but are you actually suggesting that those who DO ask that their ears be opened to hear his voice and "know how to listen to Him" would actually receive early-warning notifications in the event of natural disasters?

    Huh, now THAT might be an incentive or fringe benefit that makes it all worth it, then! Can I get notifications on my iPhone, just like I get those NOAA heavy-weather alerts?

    TEC said- To those who have faith, what you or what I say... should not matter one whit

    Cofty said- I have to agree. Faith is at it's strongest when the evidence is at it's weakest.

    A believer's faith needs to be at it's strongest, NOT when the evidence supporting the belief is weak, but when the counter-evidence is at its STRONGEST and the truth is patently obvious to anyone but those who are dogmatically-locked into an unreasonable position (eg the Earth being spherical and not flat; diseases are caused by micro-organisms and not 'sin', etc).

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  • cofty
    cofty

    Is A possible, and if so, what will be sacrificed/what possible side effects could come from that, and how do you know?

    That's the whole point about being omnipotent - anything is possible. Earthquakes and tsunamis don't happen because of movement of tectonic plates, they happen because plates get stuck and build up immense pressures. It would be trivially simple to create an earth just as it is now but without earthquakes.

    here is a question for you, that my Lord asked me:

    FFS I'm having a conversation with Mystic Meg. I thought god didn't approve of spirit mediums.

    The rest of your reply is unadulterated callousness. Go to the Philipines and tell the grieving mother that her dead child was nothing more than a ghost trapped in a physical prison and that god had done her a favour by killing it.

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  • Finkelstein
    Finkelstein

    If all mythological beliefs were derived from hearsay alone without any practical evidence to support that hearsay is it advantageous

    for humanity to live off that heuristic beliefs in pertaining to better the human experience ?

    Past human history has shown that it is not .

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  • tec
    tec

    If I am warm and well fed and do a few "token" things to help the suffering people on the other side of the world, and you offer prayer or preach to the suffering and offer nothing else, it might seem a double standard for me to say anything about your inaction.

    No, actually, that would not seem like a double standard at all.

    But prayer and/or 'preaching'... does not inhibit a person of faith from doing the same 'token' things that you do. Maybe not for those on the other side of the world; maybe for those on this side of the world. But either way... prayer does not inhibit anyone from DOING, and should not replace anyone DOING for their fellow man. James 2:16 "If one of you says to them, 'go in peace, keep warm and well fed', but does nothing about their physical needs, what good is it?"

    Peace,

    tammy

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  • OnTheWayOut
    OnTheWayOut

    So glad we could end agreeing.

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  • FlyingHighNow
    FlyingHighNow

    I don't understand why anyone thinks we have to limit God to the Bible or Koran or anything humans have written. Striking out the existence of God, based on negative writings and human ideas of God, seems very in the face of logic and critical thinking. If you recognize that human beings wrote those things, then put them in their place. God had nothing to do with those human ideas and writings.

    My clear feelings on the subject are that God does exist. I don't limit ideas of him by human writings. When I say God or Him, may I make clear that I don't limit God to being one or to being a specific gender. I don't think we have knowledge of the answers to those questions. I go mostly with my experiences of God, from me as an infant, toddler and child, when adults didn't interfere with my concepts and experiences. I was lucky enough that my mother and dad did not try to shape my feelings, experiences, concepts or beliefs about God or the universe or our existence.

    I have said before and I will say this again: people either don't feel something up there or they do feel something up there.My grandson Julian, who hasn't had both of his parents in his life off and on for his entire life, he "doesn't feel anything up there"--his words. I have always felt something up there.

    On the subject of feeling something. I will give you an example of the kinds of feelings I have, that have nothing to do with God. One night, at 4:30 AM, I sat bolt upright in bed, calling out my daughter's name so loudly, that I woke other people up. I had a horrible feeling that she was in danger. It had been a while since Julian and I had heard from her. She's his mother. We concentrated hard on her calling us. That night she called us. The first thing she did was tell me how she had been in Providence, RI that morning, at 4:30 AM, when a man knocked her down and tried to steal her back pack. She fought him and he left her alone and fled. She was traumatized by the experience. She didn't want to call me to tell me about it. She decided she wouldn't call me. But as the day wore on, she felt a stronger and stronger pull to call Julian and me. Finally she felt she had to pick up the phone and call. She was in a very troubled time of her life and we rarely heard from her. It was difficult for her to phone her mother and son, whom she knew would be worried about her.

    Over my life I have had many such experiences of feeling and connection with my children, my siblings, etc. Some people call it woman's intuition or if it's not a woman, there will be a different label for this kind of feeling or connection. Some people call these kinds of things psychic phenomena. I am not here to debate my own experiences. I know lots of people have uncanny experiences and connections like this. I am bringing them up because of my grandson's statement that he doesn't feel anything up there, and then so many people who either share his lack of feeling or people like me who feel the opposite. I recognize that people don't believe or they don't have feelings or experiences of God or gods. I respect people who say that they don't have those experiences, but they understand it doesn't make the experiences of people who do have them, false or imagined.

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  • tec
    tec

    Cofty, you did not answer my question (any of them really)... and you also did not read my response to the 'failsafe' if that was your 'interpretation' of what I said, because I said NOTHING of the sort.

    Your problem with God's creation is that he did not create in a way that people would NOT die... and I told you that He did. Just not the failsafe that you think would have been right.

    And what do you care who I say I hear... why not just answer the question as it is?

    Peace,

    tammy

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  • tec
    tec

    Thanks OTWO.

    Peace to you,

    tammy

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  • cofty
    cofty

    I only saw a question so ridiculous I assumed it was rhetorical.

    Your problem with God's creation is that he did not create in a way that people would NOT die...

    No I am simply pointing out that if there was a benvolent creator he could have very easily avoided millions of violent deaths by natural disaster.

    I'm out of here, I'm not going to have a conversation with somebody who pretends to be getting responses from god. It's demeaning to both of us.

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  • tec
    tec

    Yeah, but your failsafe for the 'dangers' of a living moving universe is in the answer.

    In any case, why do you talk to me AT ALL then... it is not like you are ignorant of me professing to hear my Lord?

    Peace,

    tammy

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