by OnTheWayOut 171 Replies latest members adult
Are you not open for (about 50:50) the possibility that meditation MAY be a key for understanding the reality of "Truth"?
I think that there is personal benefit in some forms of meditation. Sam Harris is one of the biggest skeptics you could name but he is an advanced paractitioner of meditation.
However, if we wish to discover facts and weigh objective truths, they are not to be found by gazing at your belly button.
"Evidences such?" Certanly not "intellectual evidences", but "evidences" like out-of-body experiences, seeing my physical body asleep in the bed. The dimension of instinct (instead of thoughts) with sometimes a clarity and reality that is not possible to describe accurate. But I found out that these personal extraordinary "supernatural" experiences have not proven that God exist, even if the experience itself goes beyond anything in this (what I call) "low reality world".
even if the experience itself goes beyond anything in this (what I call) "low reality world".
"Out of body" experiences are easy to induce and explain. Our brains are readily fooled and quick to create their own phantom sensory experiences.
It´s funny that people who haven´t had these experiences are the ones who can "explain" them best. Very humble attitude. How do you explain when you can see things (for example certain clothes, certain things, certain marks in the wall) in a room that you have never visted before? And after confirm it? It has happend to me.
In near death experiences it´s very common. For example, a relative to me have told things that the doctors couldn´t explain.
But if you dismiss these things as intellectual explainable or if you are convinced it´s a hallucination- it´s left to you. I don´t care.
A rather flimsy-flamsy agnostic (Mr Fool) v a rather hardline antitheist (cofty).
How do you explain when you can see things .. in a room that you have never visted before? And after confirm it? It has happend to me.
Give Mr Randi a call and repeat the experiment. He has a million dollars waiting for you.
Mr Fool, you've floated a few 'Appeals to personal incredulity' arguments, where you've basically said, 'I can't explain it, and hence no one else possibly can'.
EVEN IF there was 'something else' (eg souls, etc) going on to account for NDE (and there's been recent research to indicate not), it still doesn't prove the existence of God, much less constitute evidence to support a belief in Gods. It just means there are unanswered questions awaiting to be answered, which is no mystery to scientists: the entire scientific endeavor is DRIVEN BY unanswered questions.
As Tim Minchin says, "thoughout history, every mystery ever solved has turned out to be NOT magic."
Reserving judgement is wise at this stage but pretending nobody can ever be certain is not a virtue, it's just a way of avoiding the hard work.
Interesting statement. Because when someone IS certain... unless their certainty fall on the conclusion that you have reached... you and others call them dishonest.
Peace,
tammy
Marked
unless their certainty fall on the conclusion that you have reached... you and others call them dishonest.
Oh please could you tell me again about how to hear voices in my head and go to christ and take lifes water free and how you KNOW its all true and blah blah blah. I haven't heard that for ages.
