I Am No Longer an Atheist

by OnTheWayOut 171 Replies latest members adult

  • Phizzy
    Phizzy

    I don't like labels. Call yourself an Atheist and people will start to tell you what your intellectual position is. Most of the other labels suffer a good bit from this too, because people really do not know what Deist etc means.

    Take the label Agnostic, literally it means without knowledge, and for that reason people often use it as though it is equivalent to, say, "Soft Atheist".

    But the real view of the Agnostic is that our rational minds are not capable of providing sufficient rational grounds to prove or disprove the existence of god.

    Perhaps these inteminable Threads on the subject prove the Agnostic right !

    I don't label myself, apart from saying I lead an evidence based life, no real evidence that satisfies me ? well I will not trust the proposition is true. And I certainly won't throw away my life based on what is basically a delusion, or to be more polite perhaps, a hope.

    For example, it would be nice if this life was not all there is, that there was an afterlife of some sort, but in the absence of any evidence, I will only look upon it as a whimsically nice idea, assuming it is a nice place, and not something like the JW paradise, or the Catholic Hell, which are very similar.

    And if some Salesperson comes to me to sell me an Afterlife, I shall simply ask them if they like sex and travel.

  • KateWild
    KateWild

    Phizzy- you love the label CREATIONSTS

    I have read it on a lot of what you post LOL! So you like labelling others but not yourself. I am ok with that-Kate xx

  • tec
    tec

    Does anyone want to compare that to the smugness of Dawkins or Hitchens?

    Dawkins (and formerly Hitchens), does the same thing. Thinks that he can see the truth about "God" through any other means than Christ. He is right about the harm that religion has caused and I cannot disagree; harm that is not just to people and entire nations; but also to the faith of people, and the 'blocking up of the kingdom' for those who DO want to enter, through the lies that religion speaks and spreads about God.

    I can only promise such a person that I was fully willing and opened my heart 100% and that telling me that it was a refusal and hardening of my heart that prevents me from "seeing" Him is the biggest of insults.

    I did not say that, though.

    I said that people refuse to look at Christ... and so cannot see God. That they harden their hearts against this truth... against Christ... right now; refusing to look at Him to know God. Do you look at Christ to know the truth about God, OTWO? (regardless of whether you think God is real or not?) Because I'm pretty sure that your opinions about God are based on other things that you look at (OT, men, religion)... but not Christ.

    I don't care to go back and forth here.

    But you do so anyway ; )

    This may help others see why there is such passion here.

    Hopefully from all 'sides'. Because I know that you are wrong in your opinions of God. I don't state that to be arrogant or smug. Only to be truthful and in the hope that you (or others... anyone seeking or thirsting or wishing) can stop looking at what is false to see God, and start looking at what is true, to see God.

    Peace,

    tammy

  • confusedandalone
    confusedandalone

    " Every reason people think they have for believing that the God of Abraham is evil, or whatever other judgments they have made against Him... is all based on them not knowing the God of Abraham. He is not a big mystery, or unknowable as some claim Him to be"

    I have tried not to say anything but it is this type of babble that makes people think Christians are insane. So the bible is a book from God that he directed the writing of. If what is in the bible is not correct then GOD doesn't have the sense or the power to preserve his words and past deeds accurately.. So for believers we cant take that road because bible god is all powerful. Now to get a picture of bible god we can take a look at the bible.

    He condones slavery

    he condones murder

    he murders people

    he commands others to murder people

    he plays favorites

    he tells parents to hit thier own children in the head with rocks and spill their brains out in front of the entire city as a lesson.

    he condones incest

    he condones and encourages the murder of animals

    We could go on but what is the point.

    Then all of a sudden Jesus comes along and says everything I do is what the father would do. ok, fine dude. So you heal lepers yet bible god told his people to isolate them. Remember bible god says he doesn't change. apparently he does.

    Everything jesus supposedly did was the exact opposite of what bible god previously did. A believer can do whatever they want to convince themselves and anyone willing to have their own beliefs in this mess confirmed, however any thinking person can see that they two peoples teachings do not line up or add up.

    All this bullshit about he calls people etc... just further shows these characters have no desire for everyone to be saved or even get to know them. What possible reason could there be for not making sure everyone did.

    FOR THE LOVE OF THE FLYING SPAGHETTI MONSTER BIBLE GOD COULDN'T EVEN PROPEWRLY PRESERVE HIS OWN NAME. WHAT A JOKE

  • OnTheWayOut
    OnTheWayOut

    TEC: Because I know that you are wrong in your opinions of God. I don't state that to be arrogant or smug. Only to be truthful and in the hope that you (or others... anyone seeking or thirsting or wishing) can stop looking at what is false to see God, and start looking at what is true, to see God.

    OTWO: I can only promise such a person that I was fully willing and opened my heart 100% and that telling me that it was a refusal and hardening of my heart that prevents me from "seeing" Him is the biggest of insults.

    TEC: I did not say that, though.

    I said that people refuse to look at Christ... and so cannot see God. That they harden their hearts against this truth... against Christ... right now; refusing to look at Him to know God. Do you look at Christ to know the truth about God, OTWO? (regardless of whether you think God is real or not?) Because I'm pretty sure that your opinions about God are based on other things that you look at (OT, men, religion)... but not Christ.

    Let's look at your words.

    But you do not look at Christ. Sure, everyone has different reasons for their refusal... but it is that unwillingness (that refusal) to look at Christ to know God, that leads to their inability to to look at Christ. Because you have hardened your hearts to the point that you CANNOT look at Him; you cannot see Him.

    So what you are saying is not that a refusal and hardening of my heart prevents me from "seeing" Him. You are saying I refused to look at Christ (for my own reasons). I was unwilling to look at Christ, which led to my inability to look at Christ, which led to a hardening of my heart (about that truth) and I cannot know or see "Him."

    Thanks for clearing that up. So it's even bigger than the insult I thought it was.

  • tec
    tec

    You are speaking past tense, OTWO. I am speaking present tense.

    Right now... here and now.

    You did not answer my question:

    Do you look at Christ to know the truth about God, OTWO? (regardless of whether you think God is real or not?)

    Peace,

    tammy

  • OnTheWayOut
    OnTheWayOut

    Here's the end of the line between us, Tammy. It will just break down.

    I cannot simply answer your question: Do you look at Christ to know the truth about God, OTWO? (regardless of whether you think God is real or not?)

    You already "...know that [I am] wrong in [my] opinions of God." You already say that I am "...looking at what is false..."

    So a "YES" will provoke you to say I am wrong and a "NO" will provoke you to say "THERE'S YOUR PROBLEM."

    It's your trump card. Anyone who disagrees with you about Christ/God/the supernatural is looking at what is false.
    The only way to "see" properly is to fully accept and believe that Christ is what you believe he is, and once a person absolutely doesn't need any evidence and fully believes anyway, the evidence will come forth in some kind of personal contact.

    He knows my number. He knows my heart. He can call and tell me personally without your insults.

    Edited to add: This is taking away from the thread and making it just another one of those silly threads. We won't go down this path.

  • tec
    tec

    If you think I am insulting you... then every word out of an atheist mouth in regard to thinking that a theist is wrong... is an insult.

    But I am not insulting you. You turned my words into something that I was not saying... rather than answer the question in regard to what I WAS saying.

    A 'yes' could provoke discussion. A 'no' would be the reason you cannot see God.

    But it doesn't matter to me if you answer my question or not... to me, or on here, or even to another person. It is between you and Him; not you and me and Him.

    Peace,

    tammy

  • OnTheWayOut
    OnTheWayOut

    Then: "Yes."

    It's not the part about being wrong. I highlighted how it was an insult.

  • OnTheWayOut
    OnTheWayOut

    Anyway, back on track.

    Adamah: That's why I like "The Atheist Experience", since the cable TV show out of Austin, TX features a theme of 'positive atheism', and includes a few smiling hosts who are attempting to counteract the pompous British stereotype.

    I go to them on youtube often and play it in the background while doing things around the house.

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