Does the Spirit (who is Christ) speak, and how?

by tec 160 Replies latest members private

  • adamah
    adamah

    TEC said-

    To be a prophet I would have to give a prophecy, wouldn't I?

    After you asked the same question many threads ago, it's clear you've never looked into the Biblical definition of the word, 'prophet', since the answer is NO: foretelling is NOT required to be described as a prophet in the Bible. A prophet is one who relays a message from the spiritual realm, and that alone constitutes a 'prophetic act'.

    http://christianity.stackexchange.com/questions/9406/what-is-the-biblical-definition-of-prophecy

    Perhaps two of the most famous minor prophets will illustrate that prophecy is not so much about telling the future as the present.

    Jonah, for example, only issues a single proclamation about the future - "Forty days, and Nineveh will be destroyed," - and even that one ends up not coming to pass because of God's grace. Amos, another prophet, makes very few predictions about the future, but again, the thrust of his message is that God's people need to shape up! This is true of Hosea, Malachi, and many others.

    The non-writing Prophets - Samuel, Elijah, and Elisha, share the same distinction.

    The point is that a prophet is one who is given a message by God (Indeed Malach-i means "My Messenger"). The prophet is then told to deliver this message to His people, however God chooses. When Jeremiah refuses, he says it burns in his bones. When Ezekiel does what God says, his wife dies and he can't mourn, he ends up lying on his side for years at a time, and generally looking like a nut. Indeed, when Jesus drives the moneychangers out of the Temple, he is simply called a "prophet" for the act.

    The point is simple that a prophet is a messenger of God. If that message says something about the future, then it is because God wishes to give a message about consequences (Indeed, John the Revelator is apocalyptic, not prophetic!).

    Jonah prophecized an event which didn't come to pass, but rather than being declared as a 'false prophet' and put to death (as was required in the OT), the Bible uses the old excuse of claiming that Jehovah showed mercy and grace to the inhabitants of Ninevah to explain the prophetic failure.

    But regardless, TEC is claiming to pass messages from the Heavenly realm, so per the many examples found in the Bible, is a prophet.

    Adam

  • tec
    tec

    Try again Cofty, though i am sure that you won't retract your accusation.

    Becasue what I said... that we are spirits trapped within these vessels... is not what you said I said.

    You have described it many times in a way that is identical to Platonic mind-body dualism. A person's spirit is imprisoned in their body during physical life and released at physical death

    I shouldn't need to highlight that. It is right there and black and white. But just in case, I did it anyway.

    Peace,

    tammy

  • cofty
    cofty

    Yes that is precisely what you denied saying.

    If a spirit is "trapped" in our body it must be released from this trap at death.

    You are now adding insult to injury.

  • confusedandalone
    confusedandalone

    You can not reason with the unreasonable

  • tec
    tec

    If a spirit is "trapped" in our body it must be released from this trap at death.

    Says you?

    I never said that. So your accusation still falls flat.

    Peace,

    tammy

  • cofty
    cofty

    1. You said a spirit is "trapped in a clay vessel".

    2. The clay vessel is the physical body.

    3. When the body dies the spirit is no longer trapped

    Which of these 3 statements are wrong?

  • tec
    tec

    Are we moving from whether or not I said something... to whether or not something is wrong? You still going to hold to your false accusation that I am a liar? Do show me where I have said that the spirit is released upon death, if so.

    The spirit of those who belong to Christ go under the altar upon their physical death. They, sleeping under the altar but awakened only in the presence of Christ - the life - are given the white robe (spirit body) and told to wait a little longer.

    I have not heard that others are released from their 'bodies' upon death. The resurrection of the dead has them coming out of their graves; doesn't say that they are disembodied spirits doing so.

    Peace,

    tammy

  • cofty
    cofty

    You still going to hold to your false accusation that I am a liar?

    Yes

    I am finished.

    Your intelllectual dishonesty is plainly on show above.

    Why should anybody believe anything you say about messages from the almighty when you can't hold a simple, honest conversation without prevarication?

  • bohm
    bohm

    The resurrection of the dead has them coming out of their graves; doesn't say that they are disembodied spirits doing so.

    as long as you dont let them bite you and you aim for the head...

  • tec
    tec

    lol. Believe as you like. You call me intellectually dishonest every time something you have said about me has been shown to be false.

    I am finished.

    Don't really believe ya... but here's hopin' ; )

    Peace,

    tammy

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