by nicolaou 185 Replies latest members adult
TEC said- I was referring to the resurrection of the dead, one of the details that the OP was referring to as to what science has disproven... so from the OP:
Oh, I see: I thought you were trying to compare the supposed inability for science to prove the non-existence of God with the inability to conquer apoptosis, but apparently not!
Let me ask you this: since you already are a believer, is there ANY evidence that anyone could possibly produce that could convince you that God doesn't exist?
No Christ... would mean.... no God and Father of Christ.
You tell me, TEC?
No... you are the one saying that you can disprove him, so I need to know who 'he' is, to you. Because as you know... there are many people with many different versions of God, according to the bible.
(You know who God is to me... not the 'god of the bible'... but the Most Holy One of Israel, the God and Father of Christ, shown through Christ... who is the Word, Truth, Image of God.)
Oh, I see: I thought you were trying to compare the supposed inability for science to prove the non-existence of God with the inability to conquer apoptosis, but apparently not!
Yes, thank you!
Peace,
tammy
So TEC, when did you first hear about this God concept?
(For most people, it's usually from another child, typically around the age of five.)
"In all my years of debating this issue I have never encountered anybody who
claimed they could prove there is no god." Many have been hurt or killed by
either extreme stance made law of the land, which is a kind of institutionalized
'centric intolerance--if not "proof not" it could be rejection insisted on.
Whether it's put in terms of "proof" or not it's enough to say such a law would
only be justified with proof. We shouldn't have such a law but should have sep-
aration of church and state.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Existence_of_God
Evidence: see Adler's book which submits the cosmos as evidence regarding the
possibilty, not proof, of God. It doesn't reduce to "proof of God" but more
"look at the cosmos--it's all so unnecessary," which I also think is funnier.
Let me ask you this: since you already are a believer, is there ANY evidence that anyone could possibly produce that could convince you that God doesn't exist?
TEC said- No Christ... would mean.... no God and Father of Christ.
Yes, but is that a maybe, a sign that you're not dogmatically-entrenched in your belief system such that you'd honestly consider the evidence? I won't waste my time at this point, if you're honest and just say 'no'.
Adamah, you are wasting your time if you attempt to prove to me that there was (and is) no Christ, not because I am not open to evidence (I examined that Zeitgeist evidence when I was worried about that, despite worrying about it... though the experience did teach me not to worry about any knowledge/so-called evidence anymore)... but because we both know that you cannot do that. Because no such proof against Christ exists. No such evidence against Christ exists either... just arguments and/or conspiracy theories (ie, the roman invention). But if you attempt to prove it, I can probably give witness against your proof, so it would be a win/win ; )
So TEC, when did you first hear about this God concept?
(For most people, it's usually from another child, typically around the age of five.)
I'm not sure why you're asking this question of me. It is your claim that we are talking about right? You have not answered my question yet, in regard to that. But in answer, I never heard about a God 'concept'. And I have no memory of the first time I heard about God.
I do remember my catholic friend (at around five) telling me about her beliefs about God, and about communion. But God was not a new belief for me by this time.
Peace,
tammy
TEC said-
Adamah, you are wasting your time if you attempt to prove to me that there was (and is) no Christ, not because I am not open to evidence (I examined that Zeitgeist evidence when I was worried about that, despite worrying about it... though the experience did teach me not to worry about any knowledge/so-called evidence anymore)... but because we both know that you cannot do that. Because no such proof against Christ exists. No such evidence against Christ exists either... just arguments and/or conspiracy theories (ie, the roman invention). But if you attempt to prove it, I can probably give witness against your proof, so it would be a win/win ; )
LOL, TEC: you sound like Jesus has replaced Jehovah as your God. And I'll take that as a "NO!" to this question:
Adam asked- Let me ask you this: since you already are a believer, is there ANY evidence that anyone could possibly produce that could convince you that God doesn't exist?
And no kidding, all we have are logical arguments, since there's no physical evidence to examine. That's kinda the point...
Adam
So then we are back to convincing others... rather than PROVING to others. Right?
Peace,
tammy
tec:
People very rarely argue against the God and Father of Christ... as they do not know Him. But they do argue against what they think is an accurate representation of Him, depending upon which portions of the bible they choose to believe (and which doctrines/interpretation of men they choose to give credence to).
Wrong, but quite irrelevant. Minutiae about supposed personality traits of any supposed deity have no bearing at all on the issue of whether there is any basis for the existsence of any such 'supernatural' entity.
But it was entirely relevant to Adamah's claim.
Peace,
tammy
