American Drone Strike Kills 13 people in a wedding party

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  • fulltimestudent
    fulltimestudent

    If Americans want to understand the reservoir of hate for them that is building up against them - then ask how you would feel?

    Reference: http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/12/12/21879956-officials-us-drone-strike-kills-13-in-yemen-wedding-convoy?lite

    Officials: US drone strike kills 13 in Yemen wedding convoy

    By Ahmed Al-Haj, The Associated Press

    Missiles fired by a U.S. drone slammed into a convoy of vehicles traveling to a wedding party in central Yemen on Thursday, killing at least 13 people, Yemeni security officials said.

    The officials said the attack took place in the city of Radda, the capital of Bayda province, and left charred bodies and burnt out cars on the road. The city, a stronghold of al Qaeda militants, witnessed deadly clashes early last year between armed tribesmen backed by the military and al Qaeda gunmen in an attempt to drive them out of the city.

    There were no immediate details on who was killed in the strike, and there were conflicting reports about whether there were militants traveling with the wedding convoy.

    A military official said initial information indicated the drone mistook the wedding party for an al Qaeda convoy. He said tribesmen known to the villagers were among the dead.

    One of the three security officials, however, said al Qaeda militants were suspected to have been traveling with the wedding convoy.

    While the U.S. acknowledges its drone program in Yemen, it does not usually talk about individual strikes.

    If further investigations determine that the victims were all civilians, the attack could fuel an outburst of anger against the United States and the government in Sanaa among a Yemeni public already opposed to the U.S. drone strikes.

    Civilian deaths have bred resentments on a local level, sometimes undermining U.S. efforts to turn the public against the militants. The backlash in Yemen is still not as large as in Pakistan, where there is heavy pressure on the government to force limits on strikes — but public calls for a halt to strikes are starting to emerge.

    In October, two U.N. human rights investigators called for more transparency from the United States and other countries about their drone programs, saying their secrecy is the biggest obstacle to determining the civilian toll of such strikes.

    The missile attacks in Yemen are part of a joint U.S.-Yemeni campaign against al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, which Washington has called the most dangerous branch of the global terrorist network.

    Thursday's drone strike is the second since a massive car bombing and coordinated assault on Yemen's military headquarters killed 56 people, including foreigners. Al Qaeda claimed responsibility for the attack, saying it was retaliation for U.S. drone strikes that have killed dozens of the group's leaders.

    Security forces in the Yemeni capital boosted their presence Thursday, setting up checkpoints across the city and sealing off the road to the president's residence, in response to what the Interior Ministry called threats of "terrorist plots" targeting vital institutions and government buildings.

    Meanwhile, in the Yemen's restive northern, ultraconservative Sunni Muslim militants and rebels belonging to a branch of Shiite Islam battled each other with artillery and machine guns in clashes that killed more than 40 people, security officials said.

    The violence between Islamic Salafi fighters and Hawthi rebels has raged for weeks in Yemen's northern province of Saada, but the latest sectarian clashes marked an expansion of the fighting to the neighboring province of Hagga. The government brokered a cease-fire last month to try to end the violence, but both sides have repeatedly broken the truce.

    Officials said clashes began when ultraconservative Salafis took over a Hawthi stronghold in a mountainous area near the border with Saudi Arabia. The officials say that most of the casualties were on the Hawthi side.

    The officials said that Salafis, however, accused Hawthis of trying to infiltrate their strongholds in the town of Fagga.

    The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they weren't authorized to discuss the fighting publicly.

    Hawthi launched in insurgency in 2004 against autocratic President Ali Abdullah Saleh, who stepped down in 2012 after a popular uprising against his rule. Over the course of the Hawthi rebellion, hundreds of people were killed and an estimated 125,000 people uprooted until the rebels and the government struck a fragile cease-fire in 2010.

    But the north remained restive despite the truce, and fighting flared along another fault line in November after Hawthis accused the Salafis of trying to gain a foothold in their territory by spreading their brand of Islam.

    The rebels say their community of Shiite Muslims suffers discrimination and neglect and that the government has allowed ultraconservative Sunni extremists too strong a voice in the country. Hard-line Sunnis consider Shiites heretics.

  • Simon
    Simon

    Yeah, it's like putting up recruitment posters on their behalf.

  • blondie
    blondie

    If Americans want to understand the reservoir of hate for them that is building up against them - then ask how you would feel?

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    So you are suggesting that approximately 350M people in the US are responsible for this? Believe it or not not, many people in the US are not. I certainly would not hate a nation of over 350M people for it. I know who are responsible.

    So you think every person on this board from the US deserves to be hated for this?

  • AlphaMan
    AlphaMan

    If Americans want to understand the reservoir of hate for them that is building up against them - then ask how you would feel?

    I'm still trying to figure out the reservoir of hate for Americans on an X-JW board.

  • glenster
    glenster

    There seems to be a trend of the US having the worst favorability rating in
    countries the US has criticized for having the worst human rights records.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Yemen
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Americanism#Middle_East.2C_South_Asia_and_North_Africa
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unmanned_combat_air_vehicle#Laws_and_ethics_of_war

  • blondie
    blondie

    so, glenster, do they hold every person in the US responsible? Including me?

  • fulltimestudent
    fulltimestudent

    It is difficult for me to understand that a statement of fact can be construed as indicating partiality.

    Blondie, you are capable of greater depth of thought than what you wrote.

    Let's pull my statement apart:

    If Americans want to understand the reservoir of hate for them that is building up against them - then ask how you would feel?

    First, I doubt that those who do hate 'Americans' ever stop to reason out that "americans' may or may not support the mindless slaughter that occurs in a drone attack.

    Do you really believe, that this 'tit for tat' killer-

    Athlete: Tamerlan Tsarnaev practices boxing at the Wai Kru Mixed Martial Arts center in April 2009 in Boston, Massachusetts

    ever stopped to try and sort out the 'good' americans from the 'bad' americans.

    By the same token, do you imagine that the drone operator that killed the thirteen people in the wedding party in Yemen,

    may have stopped to reason out that 'good' yemenis' may be killed, as well as 'bad' yemenis.

    Let's take another possibility: Somehow in revenge for the above attack, a bomb powerful enough to kill all within a radius of a mile is smuggled into the US, and exploded at some point where the President of the USA is giving a speech. He is killed ( a legitimate target on your argument, Blondie, as its in his name that the drone operator fired the rocket at that wedding party) but in addition to him, another 100,000 men, women and kids are also killed.

    Do you think there would be an outcry? Of course, and it would have legitimacy!

    Then why can the drone attack that may have killed "claimed" terrorists (and there has been no legal trial to establish that) but also killed some (presumed) 'innocent' women and kids, be OK, just because the American government says it's OK.

    I believe you when you say that you don't support or approve of the drone strikes, but how much public protest is there in the US in the USA at these strikes.

    Wouldn't a more likely common attitude be - "serve the bastards right, for getting in the road of our bomb! "

    I asked the question: "how would you feel?" Neither you nor Alphaman expressed a skerrick of empathy or sympathy for the innocent people that may have died in that strike.

    All you focussed on was my factual statement that there is a reservoir of hate, that exists and grows because of the drone strikes.

    If you think that hate does not exist, then you live in a world of your own, that excludes millions of other humans, and I believe from your postings that you are not like that.

    So why attack because I point out an obvious truth.

    For the record. I dislike Islam as much as I dislike Christianity - they both come out of the same mould.

    I oppose terrorism, but I try to examine the motivation and see where it comes from and unless that is done, worse may occurr.

    I do not want to see this anywhere:

    Woolwich Defendant Michael Adebolajo Says Killing of Lee Rigby Based on How Animals Killed in Islam

    But how can men like this be stopped when attacks like the news report I quoted occurr?

    It's not as if the man above seemed to have high intelligence, but read the occurrence detail - it was horrific.

    How did so much hate get to be in his heart?

    The mirror question is, how did the hearts of those who do not approve (or, stay silent) come to be so devoid of sympathy?

  • PaintedToeNail
    PaintedToeNail

    This article indicates that this drone attack was a JOINT effort BETWEEN the Yemeni Government AND the USA. JOINT, as in sanctioned, by the government of the people in Yemen. Does this mean the Yemenis hate themselves?

    t

  • blondie
    blondie

    Good point, PaintedToenail. I'm sure some people in Yemen will view this as only from the US. This is too complex to blame one country's population for what is happening.

    The missile attacks in Yemen are part of a joint U.S.-Yemeni campaign against al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, which Washington has called the most dangerous branch of the global terrorist network.

    Thursday's drone strike is the second since a massive car bombing and coordinated assault on Yemen's military headquarters killed 56 people, including foreigners. Al Qaeda claimed responsibility for the attack, saying it was retaliation for U.S. drone strikes that have killed dozens of the group's leaders.

  • DesirousOfChange
    DesirousOfChange

    I think most Americans are convinced that anyone killed by the drone attacks are connected to the political group from the Middle East who killed 3,000 innocent people in the World Trade Towers.

    Thinking that any citizen of the Middle East could have stopped the 19 towel-head-terrorists is as foolish as thinking that any "average" American citizen has any say whatsoever about drone strikes.

    Doc

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