American Drone Strike Kills 13 people in a wedding party

by fulltimestudent 33 Replies latest social current

  • DJS
    DJS

    It is difficult for those we call terrorists to assemble in large numbers in the open, even in their own countries. For obvious reasons. We are watching them continuously with satellites, global hawks and drones and listening as well. And many of those drones carry missiles, and the guy 'pulling the trigger' may be at a computer terminal in Florida. Those we are calling terrorists know this well. They often use wedding parties, which may be real but are often fake, to enable them to gather together. They know this; we know this.

    We may at times get it wrong, but if those we - and apparently the Yemeni government in this instance - consider terrorists use this type of gathering then they are placing their own women and children in harm's way. Of course I do not know if this was a legitimate wedding, and neither do any of the rest of us. Is using drone strikes, in conjunction with likely very good intelligence provided by our technologies and the host government(s), acceptable even in light of collateral damage? I don't know. Obama, Bush and the regional leaders who approve these strikes do not do so without some very serious intelligence to support the decisiions. They do not make these decisions lightly or cavalierly. Do they always get it right? Of course not. But the intelligence gathering capabilities of this country would blow your minds. They probably get it 'right', if that is the adjective you wish to select to describe an attack on an actual terrorist gathering cloaked as a wedding, much more often than not.

    The Pakistani government routinely 'complained' about the drone strikes in their country but they were working hand-in-hand with the U.S., providing ground intelligence, in support of the attacks. The 'complaints' were nothing more than plausible deniability for local consumption.

    I have spent time in the Middle East. The people I came in contact with, for the most part, were very favorable toward Americans. A lot of times the anti-American rhetoric we hear from them doesn't run as deep as we may think. Given the opprotunity many of them would hop on the first boat/plane for the U.S.

    Still, I am also troubled by the use of these drones and obviously these attacks carry considerable risk.

  • fulltimestudent
    fulltimestudent

    Remember the murders are indiscriminate:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSwoRP-Y3a8#t=32

    The American Civil Liberties Union case:

    ACLU & CCR Lawsuit: American Boy Killed By U.S. Drone Strike

    The ACLU and CCR have filed a lawsuit challenging the government's targeted killing of three U.S. citizens in drone strikes far from any armed conflict zone.

    In Al-Aulaqi v. Panetta (Al-Awlaki v. Panetta) the groups charge that the U.S. government's killings of U.S. citizens Anwar Al-Aulaqi, Samir Khan, and 16-year-old Abdulrahman Al-Aulaqi in Yemen last year violated the Constitution's fundamental guarantee against the deprivation of life without due process of law.

    The killings were part of a broader program of "targeted killing" by the United States outside the context of armed conflict and based on vague legal standards, a closed executive process, and evidence never presented to the courts.

  • DJS
    DJS

    Indiscriminate would not be an appropriate adjective. Read my previous comment. Ill-advised? Maybe. Fraught with potential unintended consequences? Yes. The U.S. and regional leaders typically make great efforts to not be 'indiscriminate.'

  • JWdaughter
    JWdaughter

    Fulltimestudent:I say it with some authority as I lived for years (recently) in the Middle East/North Africa region. I am family with Pakistanis and Egyptians. I am dear friends with Syrians, Lebanese, Saudi, Palestinians, Sudanese, etc. I hear the conversations and I see the pain.

    Most are mad at governments who oppress. Ours is just a visiting one and strength and level of death that we bring to the fight horrifies them, but generally someone is bringing it anyway. They hate when we help oppressors, but they are really fed up with their own people,ignorant and uneducated in every way, being duped by power hungry despots (whether the govt. or the revolutionaries or the guerillas).

    The more educated are desperate for real educational reform in their home countries. They see the principles of the true Islam in our country in many ways (not all), and that is why just about everyone STILL wants to be in America. I got nothing but love, kindness and appreciation over there (except forone taxi driver who was offended at my level of arabic after living there for years.)

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